Both problems make it impossible and might not be easily fixed with pills in woman's case. Makes it impossible to stick anything in there. Aka making inserting tampons impossible as well as papsmears. Thing is a woman may still want to physically enjoy it or have children but...
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So they're both volcel.
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Well can be. That doesn't change the psychically can not though. (The can not part can be a mental thing causing a woman to involuntarily clamp that muscle.) I'm just admitting my thought process in that in particular where I said "most men want insert" can be a volcel thing.
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I'm just saying that if one is choosing to abstain - whatever the reason - if they're not actively trying to have sex and failing, they're not incel An incel has to be INvoluntarily CELibate
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What I'm saying is the physical part makes them involuntarily celibate. I feel that the physical thing could cause them to not seek but I still don't see it as a purely voluntary since the physical part can be uncontrollable/ not easily fixed.
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Yeah, but I'm saying there are alternatives and that they don't have be celibate just because vaginal intercourse isn't necessarily an option
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Those same alternatives are available for men too though.
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Bonus is that men are more likely to get the enjoyment out of them than a woman would.
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But yeah I don't think it's something arguable in the sense that you are right that there is alternatives.
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There are, indeed.
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