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VC @ http://longevity.vc . Interested in science and startups.

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    Laura Deming‏ @LauraDeming Jan 28

    What is the best example of tenure allowing for the development of an unconventional idea that would otherwise have resulted in a professor being fired (its original purpose)?

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      2. tylercowen‏Verified account @tylercowen Jan 28
        Replying to @LauraDeming

        Maybe Jordan Peterson is a recent example?

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      3. Riot Diet‏ @MrRiotDiet Jan 28
        Replying to @tylercowen @LauraDeming

        And what is his idea?

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      2. Norm Matloff‏ @matloff Jan 28
        Replying to @LauraDeming

        Andrew Weyl proved the centuries-old Fermat's Last Theorem after a couple of "unproductive" decades spent seeking a proof. A corporate-style productivity review would have been bad news for him.

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      3. Saleh Elmohamed‏ @SalehCU Jan 28
        Replying to @matloff @LauraDeming

        Andrew Wiles

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      4. Norm Matloff‏ @matloff Jan 28
        Replying to @SalehCU @LauraDeming

        Oops, right, thanks.

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      5. Saleh Elmohamed‏ @SalehCU Jan 28
        Replying to @matloff @LauraDeming

        As an aside point, quite a bit of credit on Wiles proof goes to Ken Ribet, particularly his 1986 proof of the epsilon conjecture.

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      2. WonkaWasInnocent‏ @WonkaWasRight Jan 28
        Replying to @LauraDeming

        Claire Patterson being the sole scientist for years arguing leaded gasoline was polluting the earth, had no safe dose, and we should stop doing it-

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      3. Richard Mason‏ @seaspeeder Jan 28
        Replying to @WonkaWasRight @LauraDeming

        I thought of this as a good possible example as well, but from what I read, Clair Patterson actually refused tenure for some reason.

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      2. Ash Jogalekar‏ @curiouswavefn Jan 28
        Replying to @LauraDeming

        Hard to know without a control, but Laura Manuelidis's thesis that TSEs are caused not by prions but by an infectious agent? She went up directly against Prusiner. Verdict still out on it (although more plausible every day - latest findings on AD-gingivitis for instance).

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      3. Keith Robison‏ @OmicsOmicsBlog Jan 29
        Replying to @curiouswavefn @LauraDeming

        I have yet to see someone expert in microbiome studies who likes that AD-gingivitis paper

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      2. Daniel Lemire‏ @lemire Jan 29
        Replying to @LauraDeming

        Was tenure designed to allow controversial ideas to emerge? Really? Looks more like a regular job perk to me.

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      2. Austen Lamacraft‏ @AustenLamacraft Jan 28
        Replying to @LauraDeming

        If you substitute marriage for tenure then this guy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Marshall …

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      3. Andrew Cutler‏ @AndrewCutler13 Jan 28
        Replying to @AustenLamacraft @LauraDeming

        How did his marriage give him more intellectual freedom?

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      1. Dr. Heather Etchevers  🌐‏ @Etche_homo Feb 11
        Replying to @LauraDeming @coalfacer

        Late to the convo, but tenure for scientists is often to provide job security under conditions of blue skies research that would have led to dismissal for lack of immediate obvious marketability or usefulness to admins. Jennifer Doudna. (And me.)

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      1. Deniz Kural‏ @denizkural Jan 29
        Replying to @LauraDeming

        Even a small risk of firing is often enough to reduce risk taking. George Church didn’t complete his first PhD program due to being “distracted” with stuff like sequencing and use of computers (gasp!). Also see Sydney Brenner’s views. Many people are denied tenure every year!

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      1. Seth Miller‏ @seth8miller Jan 28
        Replying to @LauraDeming

        Is tenure supposed to protect intellectually unconventional ideas, or just the ideas that piss off the current university administration? It's probably done that latter job orders of magnitude more times than the former.

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      1. Lincoln Shade‏ @shadeyabe93 Jan 30
        Replying to @LauraDeming

        Was going to suggest Stanley Prusiner, who I remembered from this article, but apparently he didn't have tenure before starting to work on prions, and his first bid for it failed.https://www.wired.com/story/sleep-no-more-crusade-genetic-killer/ …

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      2. DB Irwin‏ @DBIrwinIII Jan 28
        Replying to @LauraDeming

        Greta Keller?

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      3. DB Irwin‏ @DBIrwinIII Jan 28
        Replying to @DBIrwinIII @LauraDeming

        Gerta stupid autocorrect

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