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ArIeS. InFp. ChAoTiC NeUtRaL. RaVenClAw. Investor, marketer, performance artist. My investing articles: https://lizardbrain.substack.com/ 

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    1. Jen Ross  ❤️ 🚀 🇺🇸‏ @rocket_jenross Feb 2
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      And how did it create value for SCTY shareholders??? It instead has strangled Tesla with huge debt just so they could be used to pay back the non-recourse debt back to SpaceX.

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    2. Liz‏ @LAForeverHall Feb 2
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      Because otherwise it probably would have been a zero and now people can sell at $650 * 0.11? Agree with your other point, though. It does all depend on where you buy... what I'm saying is that it's possible to make money trading frauds. I'm not sure why this is so controversial

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    3. Jen Ross  ❤️ 🚀 🇺🇸‏ @rocket_jenross Feb 2
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      The bag holders at $17 already lost majority of their investment. You believe that continuing frauds for the sake of bag holders is justified. I wish you well with your trading. When bubbles pop, they drop hard & fast. For now, the stock is divorced of fundamentals.

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    4. Liz‏ @LAForeverHall Feb 2
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      I feel like I must be misunderstanding you. Can you elaborate on that first sentence? Didn't SCTY shareholders get 0.11 shares of $TSLA for every share they owned?

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    5. Jen Ross  ❤️ 🚀 🇺🇸‏ @rocket_jenross Feb 2
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      Yes but many of them bought shares much higher than that value. If you bought shares at $78 did you really care about 0.11 shares of Tesla in 2016?!?

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    6. Jen Ross  ❤️ 🚀 🇺🇸‏ @rocket_jenross Feb 2
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      The deal was so undersirable that when it was announced the combined value of both companies’ market caps dropped more than the value of the deal.

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    7. Liz‏ @LAForeverHall Feb 2
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      Yeah I understand your opinion, but you said that "the bag holders at $17 already lost the majority of their investment." What did you mean by that? Even if you bought at $78 you haven't lost the majority of your investment at this point.

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    8. Jen Ross  ❤️ 🚀 🇺🇸‏ @rocket_jenross Feb 2
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      78% of your investment was lost by then

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      I agree some shareholders could have lost money. But I'm also saying the buyout was better than the alternative and also that many shareholders would be sitting on fantastic profits RN if they held. This doesn't contradict that it's possible to make money trading frauds?

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    10. Jen Ross  ❤️ 🚀 🇺🇸‏ @rocket_jenross Feb 2
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      Better for whom? Not for Tesla shareholders who have to pay billions of Solarcity’s debt. There is a class-action derivative shareholder lawsuit over this. All defendants settled (for $60M) except Musk. March will be interesting.

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      It may have been much better for TSLA shareholders than letting SCTY fail because that would have damaged Musk's image as a demigod, which has been a huge source of reflexive value creation for them.

      4:09 PM - 2 Feb 2020
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        2. Jen Ross  ❤️ 🚀 🇺🇸‏ @rocket_jenross Feb 2
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          That is exactly what the plaintiffs claim as the reason why the merger was pushed. Frauds are hard to short in reflexivity, but be careful. I had a successful career shorting frauds during QE.

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        3. Liz‏ @LAForeverHall Feb 2
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          Cool. Best of luck to you, too. :) FWIW I don't own $TSLA. I do find it fascinating however.

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