Kuo cites a 2018 RAND report on China and multinational institutions. "It concludes squarely that there are areas in which" China seeks to alter multinational institutions, but that in most cases it was a status quo power
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Kuo: "We don't talk about engaging with Merkel's Germany, Macron's France, or Trudeau's Canada. We save that term to describe countries with which we have value chasms with," believes pre-2008 engagement moved Chinese attitudes towards wanting less autocratic politics
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Kuo wonders what caused illiberal turn from 2008/2009: "If you look at 2001-2008, you can't find much that roiled the waters between China and the United States" China, when it perceived to not be under threat, "was liberalizing"
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On nationalism, Fan believes Trump plays into nationalism within China. "His affinity for confrontation rubs up against China's sense that the US, frightened by China's rise, is trying to contain China's growth,"put ordinary Chinese people on defensive, fueled "toxic" competition
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Kuo on Chinese misconceptions of the US: "We are in a spiral of distrust, where each side is able to assume the worst of the other. Should our understanding of the whole complex society be shaped entirely" based on worst infractions?
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Kuo compares tech and SARS vs nCOV: In 2003, 80 million online and today, 800 million online. "Tech has moved to the center of what we have between the United States and China. In better days, they cooperated well. There was wonderfully fruitful cross-pollination"
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Will social media emancipate people from authoritarianism? Kuo: "We had the idea that it would bring down tyranny. Look at where we are now, and it's turned on its head"
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Fan: "Everyone in the world, the West and the East, are thinking about how rules should be implemented on the internet. I think we are in a period of reckoning, but because there are not firmly established rules in technology, China is trying to assert itself in this new terrain"
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On soft power and creative industries in China: Kuo: "The first rule of soft power is don't talk about soft power. The moment you talk about it, you've lost half the battle. China has deep reservoirs that it should draw on" but govt can't create it from the center
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Fan: "It's hard to coax attraction from deliberate management style" in Chinese arts and creative sectors
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