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Roy: "We see China as an external threat, and China, in many ways, sees us as an internal threat. " notes that Xi's corruption and ideological campaign as stemming from political results of engagement
Hewitt: "In your collective experience, is there any persuading and talking political leadership to do things differently, or does it all have to be sticks and carrots?"
Roy: "The power of example is very powerful in both [China and the USSR]. The Soviet Union convinced many citizens that their standard of living was higher than that of the United States. China ended up flooding us with their best and brightest students"
Roy: "But we didn't persuade the Chinese of this. We let them see it, and this had the impact that Xi Jinping is struggling with right now. He talks about the fact that 'we need to deal with the capitalist systems of the west will use our disadvantages to criticize us'."
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