Do you think it's the identical twin / fraternal twin studies? The comparative population studies? The adoption studies? Which do you think separates out the influence of institutionalized bias that is epigenetic / environmental?
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@DrDebraSoh@jordanbpeterson@RichardBSpencer@KirkegaardEmil Any of you care to comment?1 reply 0 retweets 0 likesShow this thread -
Maybe you don't accept the premise that bias is heritable? If not, what definition of heritability are you using?
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I mean, one very obvious way in your question is just including skin tone along with IQ etc. to predict income. When that is done, skin tone has just about no validity. I am currently working on a big paper where I did these kinds of regressions for 5 large public datasets.
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So, if IQ differences had some causal influence from bias against skin tone (attitudes of educators, self-identification, verbal abuses and other stressors), wouldn’t that day set hide that info behind the racial IQ gap?
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It would, but that model is even less plausible to begin with. Intelligence is not really malleable like that. Here's the IQ gap over time. If discrimination etc. was important for gap size, why it is not vastly smaller today than under slavery, Jim Crow etc.?pic.twitter.com/MrCqZaKbNU
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I mean, that’s kind of the reason I’m asking too. Your response has all of these assumptions in it - about which kinds of biases can affect development in this way, what directions those affectors have moved.. What is the actual signal you use to make those conclusions?
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Because clearly, when we measure bias, we find a lot of it in our current society. Throughout career advancement, penalization, and basic emotional response, we know many different biases exists. How does one extract this from the heritability signal, since it is heritable.
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Begging the question. There is no strong anti-black (etc.) bias in USA. Education system has a huge pro-black bias (affirmative action), so does hiring in many companies (diversity efforts). Survey evidence contradicts you as well.http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0183356 …
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Cases like Ezra Klein & Sam Harris make me wonder what point there is in discussion. It’s like two incompatible religions arguing over irreconcilable metaphysical assumptions. Are we wasting our time? Or do we merely redouble our patience in hope they eventually see the light?
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One side wants to look at data, other side wants to talk about morality. Which do you think is more likely to be right about reality? http://www1.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/30years/Rushton-Jensen-reply-to-commentaries-on-30years.pdf …
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You can pretend this and feel better, but the truth is, as you have stated, your race realism relies upon the belief that there is zero bias. And yet we measure bias. Study after study, we measure bias. And everyone knows it’s there. Your beliefs require lying to yourself.
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