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    1. ⅇ𝕩𝟘𝕕𝕦𝟝‏ @ex0du5_5utu7e 13 Apr 2018
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      Open question to @charlesmurray, @SamHarrisOrg, or really anyone pushing biological reductionism in IQ, wage gaps, etc.: What methodology do you believe separates the heritability of genetic influence from the heritability of bias against genetic traits (like skin color / sex)?

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    2. ⅇ𝕩𝟘𝕕𝕦𝟝‏ @ex0du5_5utu7e 13 Apr 2018
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      Do you think it's the identical twin / fraternal twin studies? The comparative population studies? The adoption studies? Which do you think separates out the influence of institutionalized bias that is epigenetic / environmental?

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    3. ⅇ𝕩𝟘𝕕𝕦𝟝‏ @ex0du5_5utu7e 13 Apr 2018
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      @DrDebraSoh @jordanbpeterson @RichardBSpencer @KirkegaardEmil Any of you care to comment?

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    4. ⅇ𝕩𝟘𝕕𝕦𝟝‏ @ex0du5_5utu7e 13 Apr 2018
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      Maybe you don't accept the premise that bias is heritable? If not, what definition of heritability are you using?

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    5. Emil O W Kirkegaard‏ @KirkegaardEmil 13 Apr 2018
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      I mean, one very obvious way in your question is just including skin tone along with IQ etc. to predict income. When that is done, skin tone has just about no validity. I am currently working on a big paper where I did these kinds of regressions for 5 large public datasets.

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    6. ⅇ𝕩𝟘𝕕𝕦𝟝‏ @ex0du5_5utu7e 13 Apr 2018
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      So, if IQ differences had some causal influence from bias against skin tone (attitudes of educators, self-identification, verbal abuses and other stressors), wouldn’t that day set hide that info behind the racial IQ gap?

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    7. Emil O W Kirkegaard‏ @KirkegaardEmil 13 Apr 2018
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      It would, but that model is even less plausible to begin with. Intelligence is not really malleable like that. Here's the IQ gap over time. If discrimination etc. was important for gap size, why it is not vastly smaller today than under slavery, Jim Crow etc.?pic.twitter.com/MrCqZaKbNU

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    8. ⅇ𝕩𝟘𝕕𝕦𝟝‏ @ex0du5_5utu7e 13 Apr 2018
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      I mean, that’s kind of the reason I’m asking too. Your response has all of these assumptions in it - about which kinds of biases can affect development in this way, what directions those affectors have moved.. What is the actual signal you use to make those conclusions?

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      Emil O W Kirkegaard‏ @KirkegaardEmil 13 Apr 2018
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      If racism is so prevalent (contradicted by surveys) that it causes a big intelligence gap, why do we see no similar gaps in all kinds of traits presumably more susceptible to change? https://openpsych.net/paper/27 pic.twitter.com/r0zMyRONSu

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        2. ⅇ𝕩𝟘𝕕𝕦𝟝‏ @ex0du5_5utu7e 13 Apr 2018
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          It seems an interesting approach to rest the conclusions that the gaps are strongly genetic on the assertion that there is no racism or bias. That path requires fighting against a whole array of potential abuse sources, many with years of research.

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        3. ⅇ𝕩𝟘𝕕𝕦𝟝‏ @ex0du5_5utu7e 13 Apr 2018
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          And it seems to have to fight against lived experience too. I mean, as a white male, I grew up with a number of bigotries from my family that took well into adulthood to see. Many in my friends and family circles were openly racist, and this is liberal US coastal areas.

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          The fact that the research matches our experiences very well - that resumes get selected less when outgroup-identifiable, hire data, standardized assessment industries still promoting ingroup anomalously... So many different results you’d have to counter...

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        5. ⅇ𝕩𝟘𝕕𝕦𝟝‏ @ex0du5_5utu7e 13 Apr 2018
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          I actually didn’t expect you’d rely upon an absence of bigotry to justify the heritability of IQ. I thought there’d be something the other way that is expected to differentiate population results by isolating the genetic from the epigenetic - though I know of no such metric.

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        6. Emil O W Kirkegaard‏ @KirkegaardEmil 13 Apr 2018
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          That's because I didn't. You are misunderstanding both the topic and the things I wrote.

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        7. ⅇ𝕩𝟘𝕕𝕦𝟝‏ @ex0du5_5utu7e 13 Apr 2018
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          No, I was very precise about my topic: how do you distinguish “bias about heritable traits” from “genetic heritable effects” when talking about heritable influence of IQ, wage, and other group gaps. You were clear in your responses.

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        8. ⅇ𝕩𝟘𝕕𝕦𝟝‏ @ex0du5_5utu7e 13 Apr 2018
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          That heritable component seems important to the biological reduction of the gaps. “Women just have different preferences”. “Black people just have a persistent IQ gap”. These statements are used to correlate biological influence with expectations.

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        9. ⅇ𝕩𝟘𝕕𝕦𝟝‏ @ex0du5_5utu7e 13 Apr 2018
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          “If (group) are 20% less (heritable trait) then seeing the expected consequence in (gap) is expected or acceptable.” But if any of that is still due to biases and bigotries and things wrong with the environment, then it really shouldn’t be acceptable. Those things can change.

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