Open question to @charlesmurray, @SamHarrisOrg, or really anyone pushing biological reductionism in IQ, wage gaps, etc.:
What methodology do you believe separates the heritability of genetic influence from the heritability of bias against genetic traits (like skin color / sex)?
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It seems an interesting approach to rest the conclusions that the gaps are strongly genetic on the assertion that there is no racism or bias. That path requires fighting against a whole array of potential abuse sources, many with years of research.
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And it seems to have to fight against lived experience too. I mean, as a white male, I grew up with a number of bigotries from my family that took well into adulthood to see. Many in my friends and family circles were openly racist, and this is liberal US coastal areas.
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The fact that the research matches our experiences very well - that resumes get selected less when outgroup-identifiable, hire data, standardized assessment industries still promoting ingroup anomalously... So many different results you’d have to counter...
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I actually didn’t expect you’d rely upon an absence of bigotry to justify the heritability of IQ. I thought there’d be something the other way that is expected to differentiate population results by isolating the genetic from the epigenetic - though I know of no such metric.
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That's because I didn't. You are misunderstanding both the topic and the things I wrote.
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No, I was very precise about my topic: how do you distinguish “bias about heritable traits” from “genetic heritable effects” when talking about heritable influence of IQ, wage, and other group gaps. You were clear in your responses.
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That heritable component seems important to the biological reduction of the gaps. “Women just have different preferences”. “Black people just have a persistent IQ gap”. These statements are used to correlate biological influence with expectations.
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“If (group) are 20% less (heritable trait) then seeing the expected consequence in (gap) is expected or acceptable.” But if any of that is still due to biases and bigotries and things wrong with the environment, then it really shouldn’t be acceptable. Those things can change.
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