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    1. Robert VerBruggen‏Verified account @RAVerBruggen 16 Jan 2018
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      Standard disclaimer: I'm a journalism major who likes horsing around with R. A Real Social Scientist(TM) would probably set a lot of these up differently, don't take them as gospel.

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    2. Robert VerBruggen‏Verified account @RAVerBruggen 16 Jan 2018
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      Anyhow, my usual approach was to control the interaction of gender & age (polynomial) for one regression, and then add education to for the second. Upshot: Birthplace gaps usually a lot smaller after you control education, though some do still exist.

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    3. Robert VerBruggen‏Verified account @RAVerBruggen 16 Jan 2018
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      Regardless, HUGE effects for education in everything I looked at, even controlling birthplace. I think we should let people prove merit in other ways too bc too many people go to college, but that's an obvious way to improve immigrant outcomes.

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    4. Robert VerBruggen‏Verified account @RAVerBruggen 16 Jan 2018
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      Anyway, the results tables are too big to tweet, so I just dumped 'em into a Google Doc along with the code for the regression formulas. Comments/method suggestions welcome! https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lF4J5XmyZXVaqr90yybOEzdJ_xUSkMfPsHBOTpOIIrc/edit?usp=sharing …

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    5. Robert VerBruggen‏Verified account @RAVerBruggen 16 Jan 2018
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      My data only include immigrants, so an interesting question is which birthplace to use as the "reference." I went with Mexico because it's the biggest source -- but it's also an outlier on some metrics (eg very high employment rates for males and low income among employed)

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    6. Robert VerBruggen‏Verified account @RAVerBruggen 16 Jan 2018
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      Another tricky thing is that there aren't a ton of observations for many birthplaces, so you have to watch out for huge standard errors and just ignore those.

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    7. Robert VerBruggen‏Verified account @RAVerBruggen 16 Jan 2018
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      One possible improvement: I wish I'd had more time to mess around with the age control, both trying different polynomial degrees to see what made a difference and also experimenting with splines instead (which @KirkegaardEmil has suggested to me before).

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    8. Robert VerBruggen‏Verified account @RAVerBruggen 16 Jan 2018
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      And one last note: Yeah, I know the variable I coded as "Country" includes some birthplaces that are continents or other types of regions too. Sue me.

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    9. Robert VerBruggen‏Verified account @RAVerBruggen 16 Jan 2018
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      Anyway, this promises to be a busy week, but later on I hope to come back to this to improve what I did. Happy to walk people through getting the data out of IPUMS or send it to them (tho I'm not on that computer right now).

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    10. Emil O W Kirkegaard‏ @KirkegaardEmil 16 Jan 2018
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      These kinds of studies have been done before. I did one with @jfuerst0, and Borjas also did it in his recent book. Yes, origin still matters because origin = prior, and education etc. is not perfectly informative about relevant job skills.

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      Replying to @KirkegaardEmil @RAVerBruggen @jfuerst0

      For Borjas, see review at http://emilkirkegaard.dk/en/?p=6847 . Relevant quote.pic.twitter.com/YXBL1oVhgP

      8:28 AM - 16 Jan 2018
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        2. Robert VerBruggen‏Verified account @RAVerBruggen 16 Jan 2018
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          Replying to @KirkegaardEmil @jfuerst0

          Ah, gotcha. So something he briefly mentioned but didn't show a huge set of results for.

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        3. Philippe Lemoine‏ @phl43 16 Jan 2018
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          Replying to @RAVerBruggen @KirkegaardEmil @jfuerst0

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          Results of the PIAAC show that immigrant status is very relevant.https://twitter.com/phl43/status/952673677904175104 …

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          A lot of people have pointed out that, in the US, immigrants are more likely to have a university degree. Perhaps, but according to data from the OECD (https://nces.ed.gov/surveys/piaac ), college-educated immigrants have skills much closer to those of natives who just finished high school. pic.twitter.com/EQeKzkSt4X
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        4. Philippe Lemoine‏ @phl43 16 Jan 2018
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          I don't think the data explorer on their website allows you to look at this, but I had a look at the codebook of the dataset and it's very rich, so I'm sure there is a variable for country of birth. I suspect one could learn a lot analyzing this dataset.

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        5. Robert VerBruggen‏Verified account @RAVerBruggen 16 Jan 2018
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          Huh, interesting. When I get time later I might look to see if that's reflected in income in the Census -- with immigrants with the same degree making less. Interacting nativity with degree would show if there's a dif for some degrees but not others.

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        6. Philippe Lemoine‏ @phl43 16 Jan 2018
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          I don't know about the US, but I know that in France immigrants have even worse skills keeping highest degree equal relative to natives, and it's reflect by higher unemployment, lower income, etc. even when you control for various socio-eco variables.

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        7. Robert VerBruggen‏Verified account @RAVerBruggen 16 Jan 2018
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          Interesting. For this one I only downloaded immigrant data (looking at it with idea, we're gonna let some people in so which are best?) but I might repeat it w citizens included.

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