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    1. Lee Jussim‏ @PsychRabble 15 Jan 2018
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      I almost never deal with policy & my work is most directly on prej and stereos, not discrimination. "Justification," to me, is subjective, as is "social justice." A q I know more about is "what would produce the most accurate prediction or judgment?"

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    2. Lee Jussim‏ @PsychRabble 15 Jan 2018
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      Consider a kids' soccer coach with two autistic kids on the team. To win, the coach should play the kids as little as possible. And the prediction "we are most likely to win if I keep these kids on the bench" may be true (but see next tweets).

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    3. Lee Jussim‏ @PsychRabble 15 Jan 2018
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      However, that some coach might also believe that the autistic kids' parents paid the same fee to have their kids play. And that kids are kids, and that winning is not the only thing to care about.

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    4. Lee Jussim‏ @PsychRabble 15 Jan 2018
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      It is also possible that the coach is thinking, "well, maybe these kids *could* be better, if only SOMEONE ever gave them a chance. They might struggle at first, but maybe, just maybe, the whole team would be better if they played."

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    5. Lee Jussim‏ @PsychRabble 15 Jan 2018
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      How could that possibly be? Soccer is a team game, and exhausting. Even the stars need competent subs. Also, requiring strong players to work with weaker players could actually enhance everyone's skills by focusing on team processes more than individual ones.

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    6. Lee Jussim‏ @PsychRabble 15 Jan 2018
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      So, on both ethical grounds, and long term (as opposed to short term) prediction grounds, a coach could decide "I am going to play those autistic kids, and if we lose, we lose."

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    7. Lee Jussim‏ @PsychRabble 15 Jan 2018
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      Epilogue & End of Thread. That story was not hypothetical. I was an asst coach on a team where we did exactly that. And went undefeated. Basic Sun Tzu: The army with the moral high ground has a major advantage.

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    8. John Fuerst‏ @jfuerst0 15 Jan 2018
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      Distinguish between institutional aims and instit. discrim. Discrim. which maximizes inst. aims is justified by these (not whimsical/arbitrary). Question then is: are inst. aims just. Most of us would accept teams focused on winning (college sports) ..

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    9. Lee Jussim‏ @PsychRabble 15 Jan 2018
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      Right, so it is a matter of morals and goals, not all of which involve individual level accuracy. I am pretty sure accuracy usually matters, and sometimes it might be the only thing that matters. But that is def not always the case.

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    10. John Fuerst‏ @jfuerst0 15 Jan 2018
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      ...But yes, I would agree that base rates in and of themselves -- in absence of goals and some ethical frame -- can't be used to just. discrimin., not 'just like' but 'because' an eth. frame is needed for an eth. just. and in ordinary ones, selection is just. by goals.

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      Emil O W Kirkegaard‏ @KirkegaardEmil 15 Jan 2018
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      Lee detailed a lot of his science views in his book from 2012. You should read it. :)https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/14822861-social-perception-and-social-reality …

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