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    Emil O W Kirkegaard‏ @KirkegaardEmil 8 Dec 2017

    So, can we have a big randomized controlled trial please? By the way, eveningness (late day rhythm) is linked to IQ, so theoretically, this effect is largest for the most capable students, thus having the largest negative effect on society. https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fnhum.2017.00588/full …pic.twitter.com/O2zlmJ2mez

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      2.  🎃 💀haunted chick 💀 🎃‏ @hbdchick 9 Dec 2017
        Replying to @KirkegaardEmil

        most teenagers go thru an eveningness phase, tho, and then most grow out of it again, so not an indicator of higher iq in teens.

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      3. Emil O W Kirkegaard‏ @KirkegaardEmil 9 Dec 2017
        Replying to @hbdchick

        Your argument does not follow. That we see an increase for some age group does not imply that some pattern does not hold within that age group also.

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      4. Francisco Boni‏ @boni_bo 9 Dec 2017
        Replying to @KirkegaardEmil @hbdchick

        Is chronotype during adolescent age stable into adulthood?

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      5. Emil O W Kirkegaard‏ @KirkegaardEmil 9 Dec 2017
        Replying to @boni_bo @hbdchick

        Presumably.

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      6.  🎃 💀haunted chick 💀 🎃‏ @hbdchick 9 Dec 2017
        Replying to @KirkegaardEmil @boni_bo

        no, it's not. that's what i'm telling you. most teenagers go thru an eveningness stage. but most can't (and don't) have higher than avg iqs.

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      7. Emil O W Kirkegaard‏ @KirkegaardEmil 9 Dec 2017
        Replying to @hbdchick @boni_bo

        Again, formal fallacy. That an age group increases in some trait and then falls again later, does not imply lack of temporal _relative_ stability, nor that it lacks its correlates at that time.

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      8.  🎃 💀haunted chick 💀 🎃‏ @hbdchick 9 Dec 2017
        Replying to @KirkegaardEmil @boni_bo

        no, of course not. never said o'wise.

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      2. Impolitic‏ @impoliticaljnky 9 Dec 2017
        Replying to @KirkegaardEmil @hbdchick

        Correlation of eveningness and IQ in the credible literature I could find looks too low to have a meaningful impact here. But, very interesting study. Many years too late for me, sadly

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      3. Emil O W Kirkegaard‏ @KirkegaardEmil 9 Dec 2017
        Replying to @impoliticaljnky @hbdchick

        It's about r = .20. OKCupid data confirms (multiple items).

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      4. Impolitic‏ @impoliticaljnky 9 Dec 2017
        Replying to @KirkegaardEmil @hbdchick

        The non-Kanazawa numbers I saw were substantially lower than that. OKC data is so inherently corrupted by selection effects and response biases, not to mention poor instrumentation, as to be useless for social science research.

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      5. Emil O W Kirkegaard‏ @KirkegaardEmil 9 Dec 2017
        Replying to @impoliticaljnky @hbdchick

        Completely disproven assertion. :) Read the paper.

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      1. Bananawatermelon‏ @Bananaaquamelon 9 Dec 2017
        Replying to @KirkegaardEmil

        As the mother of two teenagers, I would argue another benefit to society would be less unsupervised teenage free time in the late afternoon (if school went until 5).

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      1. Ashley‏ @polyaletheia 8 Dec 2017
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        Maybe it's a kind of stealth intelligence levelling?

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      2. Glenn Sullivan‏ @clinpsychbook 9 Dec 2017
        Replying to @KirkegaardEmil

        This is such crap. Later start times just cater to teens staying up late texting and watching YouTube. "Early to bed, early to rise, makes a man healthy, wealthy, and wise."

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      3. thoughts n tings‏ @thoughtsntings 9 Dec 2017
        Replying to @clinpsychbook @KirkegaardEmil

        except of course the man who said that did not actually follow it himself...

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      1. Dr Paul Kelley‏ @DrPaulKelley 9 Dec 2017
        Replying to @KirkegaardEmil

        Thanks for bringing this up- RCT from us too! Not just 10 a.m. of course. Eveningness is an issude we've mentioned in 2015 and earlier this year too (Indentifying the best times for cognitive function) Paul Kelley

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      1. Stephen Henstock‏ @HenstockStephen 9 Dec 2017
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        Yes! A large scale and thorough study is needed. It's time to use the scientific method to solve social study theories like this.

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      1. AlbionsSeed  ❌  🇸🇴‏ @AlbionsSeed 9 Dec 2017
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        Too much theory. Night owls were produced by electric lighting and cheap electricity

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