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    1. Frank Harrell‏ @f2harrell 26 Apr 2017
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      @lakens - I'm not a fan of Bayes factors. Hard to believe they would be misused more than p-values though.https://twitter.com/lakens/status/857324480812773382 …

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      I've looked at psych literature, and use of Bayes factors. Misuse is even worse (and it's the statsy psych people who are early adopters!).
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    2. Emil O W Kirkegaard‏ @KirkegaardEmil 26 Apr 2017
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      Maybe. Allow for most of the fallacies related to dichotomous thinking that NHST p-values do. Try enough times & you will get BF>10.

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    3. J.P. de Ruiter‏ @JPdeRuiter 27 Apr 2017
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      No, that trick only works with p-values.

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      Emil O W Kirkegaard‏ @KirkegaardEmil 27 Apr 2017
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      Works with any metric that varies with sampling including BF.

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        2. J.P. de Ruiter‏ @JPdeRuiter 27 Apr 2017
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          In what situation? If a) you keep sampling on, or b) if you keep throwing away the data and start over again?

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        3. Emil O W Kirkegaard‏ @KirkegaardEmil 27 Apr 2017
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          (b).

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        4. J.P. de Ruiter‏ @JPdeRuiter 27 Apr 2017
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          Aha I thought you meant (a). But even with (b), I bet you'll have to try a lot more often than with p-values.

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        5. Emil O W Kirkegaard‏ @KirkegaardEmil 27 Apr 2017
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          Sure, but that's just because p =.05 ↔ BF = 3. BF 10 ↔ p = .005. Bayesian stats isn't QRP proof. Values fromhttps://replicationindex.wordpress.com/2015/04/30/replacing-p-values-with-bayes-factors-a-miracle-cure-for-the-replicability-crisis-in-psychological-science/ …

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        6. Emil O W Kirkegaard‏ @KirkegaardEmil 27 Apr 2017
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          And you'll say: but at least it helps for the issue of optional stopping. Sure. But conducting such small studies to begin with is dodgy.

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        7. J.P. de Ruiter‏ @JPdeRuiter 27 Apr 2017
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          Agreed. More important is that if you sample enough data, BF will always converge to either strong rel evidence for H0 or H1, as it should.

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