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    1. Ruben C. Arslan‏ @rubenarslan Sep 30
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      If you define interventions only as things that a single individual could change while living in the current system, then that's true yeah. But that's usually not what people mean when they discuss policy and the fact that heritability is specific to certain environs

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    2. 𝔊𝔴𝔢𝔯𝔫‏ @gwern Sep 30
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      The original claim is about policy proposals, which typically propose policies which look like previously tested interventions, which have net effects as implemented in the real world of ~0 (cf the Metallic Laws), and do not look like 'let's re-enact Mao's Great Famine'.

      2 replies 1 retweet 8 likes
    3. Daniel Weissman‏ @dbweissman Oct 1
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      Daniel Weissman Retweeted Ruben C. Arslan

      I think you may have misread the original claimhttps://twitter.com/rubenarslan/status/1176507531335745536?s=21 …

      Daniel Weissman added,

      Ruben C. Arslan @rubenarslan
      Replying to @gwern @mendel_random
      That scientists are ineffective at strongly manipulating the environment doesn't mean the environment is unimportant. Childhood obesity can be raised very effectively by improving snack foods through competition in the market.
      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    4. 𝔊𝔴𝔢𝔯𝔫‏ @gwern Oct 1
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      𝔊𝔴𝔢𝔯𝔫 Retweeted george davey smith

      Not in the least. Look at https://twitter.com/mendel_random/status/1176149338717917184 … It's the same motte-and-bailey as ever. 'Policy interventions fail, especially with high heritability.' 'Ah, but heritability doesn't mean immutability - we could *imagine* interventions which do work! Check and mate.'

      𝔊𝔴𝔢𝔯𝔫 added,

      george davey smith @mendel_random
      A ludicrous comment - childhood obesity has a larger genetic component than educational performance, but the increase over time in childhood obesity shows how much it can be influenced by the environment. Heritability says little about what interventions could achieve https://twitter.com/CharlotteCGill/status/1175814102834397184 …
      3 replies 1 retweet 6 likes
    5. Ruben C. Arslan‏ @rubenarslan Oct 1
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      Try being a bit more charitable. We have observed, in his lifetime, large changes in obesity rates, that were environmentally caused. I can imagine interventions that would reverse it. It's not motte and bailey if I am consistent in my beliefs about size and scope needed.

      2 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
    6. Ruben C. Arslan‏ @rubenarslan Oct 1
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      Does this apply to the area of education, where many more interventions have been trialled? Unclear, but some see the Flynn effect as providing a similar heuristic. Clearly, the obesity epidemic was caused by changes in developmental noise, so don't go too easy on your own case.

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    7. 𝔊𝔴𝔢𝔯𝔫‏ @gwern Oct 1
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      Let's try it this way. If high heritability is irrelevant, and 'environment' so easily modified, then it should be easy for you to name 3 examples of traits with high heritabilities (say >=0.8, like height or intelligence), which have been solved by standard policies. Can you?

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    8. Ruben C. Arslan‏ @rubenarslan Oct 1
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      Replying to @gwern @dbweissman

      The metallic laws aren't the final word and @drewhalbailey thoughts on sustaining environments in combination with @JProtzko's findings on fadeout make me think there's stones left unturned. It isn't crazy to assert that genetic research is simply further ahead than interventions

      1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
    9. Ruben C. Arslan‏ @rubenarslan Oct 1
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      Replying to @rubenarslan @gwern and

      Especially when we have clear evidence of environmentally driven change in the real world, even if it wasn't planned by academic scientists.

      1 reply 0 retweets 5 likes
    10. John Protzko‏ @JProtzko Oct 1
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      Replying to @rubenarslan @gwern and

      Nations adding iodine to table salt on increasing population level intelligence (through reducing deficiencies causing intellectual delays) is a great example of this.

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      Emil O W Kirkegaard‏ @KirkegaardEmil Oct 1
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      Replying to @JProtzko @rubenarslan and

      Any large RCTs on iodine in water treatment in Africa? My prior on these claims is very negative these days. E.g., recently, I read those 1960s civil rights reports and these cite massive experiments on social policies, busing and similar, stuff, all negative and uncited today.

      11:47 AM - 1 Oct 2019
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