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    Emil O W Kirkegaard‏ @KirkegaardEmil Sep 22
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    There's a new Shalizi/Taleb on the block. Wrote this long anti-IQ piece. It's kinda boring but looks impressive so I am sure will be popular. I assume someone is going to write a rebuttal for the relevant parts, most of it being irrelevant philosophy.https://medium.com/@seanaaron100/intelligence-complexity-and-the-failed-science-of-iq-4fb17ce3f12 …

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      2. Roko Mijic‏ @RokoMijicUK Sep 22
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        This actually is a reasonably interesting critique. The objection is that factor analysis & g doesn't present a mechanistic model of human intelligence that shows us the causality. Which is true! However this doesn't invalidate IQ science.pic.twitter.com/dyyaSsX9ln

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      3. Emil O W Kirkegaard‏ @KirkegaardEmil Sep 22
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        No one said it did. Jensen said the opposite tons of times. However, people generally do affirm the reflective interpretation meaning that the PC1/g does index general intelligence even if it fails as a ratio scale measure. FA alone cannot show this is right but other methods can

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      4. Roko Mijic‏ @RokoMijicUK Sep 22
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        A lot of critiques of IQ I have seen end up as a "demand for specific evidence". This is basically that; the author isn't satisfied without a causal model of how the brain works and all the cause and effect that generates the correlations we see.https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/vqbieD9PHG8RRJddu/you-re-entitled-to-arguments-but-not-that-particular-proof …

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      5. Emil O W Kirkegaard‏ @KirkegaardEmil Sep 22
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        This one betterhttps://slatestarcodex.com/2014/08/14/beware-isolated-demands-for-rigor/ …

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      2. para bellum‏ @parabellummmm Sep 22
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        The g denial part is pathetic, all tests mesure the same g this isn't a PCA artifact

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      3. Emil O W Kirkegaard‏ @KirkegaardEmil Sep 22
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        Havne't you heard? They are all based on correlation! Correlation bad.

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      4. Tapa Ghosh‏ @semiDL Sep 22
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        Correlation isn't bad, but there's a real risk of non linearities and/or mirage correlations

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      5. Emil O W Kirkegaard‏ @KirkegaardEmil Sep 22
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        outcome ~ IQ are usually quite linear when checked. This is an old issue. Even when nonlinear, it's almost always monotonic. (Aside from sampling error) http://arthurjensen.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Occupation-and-Income-Related-to-Psychometric-g-2001-by-Helmuth-S%C3%B8rensen-Nyborg-Arthur-Robert-Jensen.pdf …pic.twitter.com/K3vQBrJhcA

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      2. A. S.‏ @Locus_of_Ctrl Sep 22
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        You have to give him props for including this amazing chartpic.twitter.com/qKj51eHVjk

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      3. Littlefoot‏ @LTF_01 Sep 22
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        Super meta

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      2. Littlefoot‏ @LTF_01 Sep 22
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        Seems the only empirical critique here with substance that is not typically controlled for is that of range restrictions - something people already know about and actively try to make better tests for. In other words, gish gallop. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gish_gallop …pic.twitter.com/FW5E5xkhq3

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      1. William Shockley‏ @NobelWinner56 Sep 23
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        I lost count of how many paragraphs it took before he had the decency to actually start his argument...

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      1. notstoa‏ @notstoa Sep 22
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        the section on measurement error is pretty funny

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      2. Harald‏ @equalitus Sep 23
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        It is one of the very few issues that all or 99% of all empirical or semi-empirical biologists [and natural scientists otherwise] agrees at least 51% with Taleb. Institutional/academic adaptivity correlate to some extent with IQ scores, but far from enough to make it plausible.

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      1. DKlondt‏ @dklndt Sep 22
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        Boring. Can't be bothered any more. Nothing's new there. "The shit is so complex that you can't use correlations to deduce *anything* until you understand *all* of the complexity" is simply neither serious nor honest an argument.

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      1. Tethon‏ @Tethon2 Sep 22
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        "most of it being irrelevant philosophy" haha my man

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