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    1. Lee Jussim‏ @PsychRabble Aug 12
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      Replying to @jonatanpallesen @dklndt and

      Sure. I did not say "almost anything." I said "socially valued traits**." Group diffs in sickle cell? Some hormone? Hypertension? Proneness to cancer? Heart disease? Def do not include any of that. **In the psych sense.

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    2. Alexander Kruel‏ @XiXiDu Aug 12
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      What prior probability do people who want to ban research on population differences in socially valued traits assign to the existence of such differences? It must be high enough that they fear it won't debunk those "racial theories." I believe it's >0.05.https://axisofordinary.tumblr.com/post/186584192813/can-we-rule-out-genetically-determined-cognitive …

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    3. Lee Jussim‏ @PsychRabble Aug 12
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      Replying to @XiXiDu @jonatanpallesen and

      Moratorium≠ban. Also, study group diffs galore. In other species to show you know what you are doing. If you can't show you know what you are doing with other species, there is no reason for any of us to have any confidence you know what you are doing w/humans.

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    4. Jonatan Pallesen‏ @jonatanpallesen Aug 12
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      I am skeptical of this. Other species are not cultural species to the extreme degree humans are. So group heritabilities are less direct in humans, and results from animal studies can not be assumed necessarily valid in humans also.

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    5. Lee Jussim‏ @PsychRabble Aug 12
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      Replying to @jonatanpallesen @XiXiDu and

      Right, my point was not generalizability, it was tractability and soundness of the methods. If we can't do it when things are simpler, I'd be very dubious about adding complexity.

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    6. Jonatan Pallesen‏ @jonatanpallesen Aug 12
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      Replying to @PsychRabble @XiXiDu and

      It doesn't really seem to me that such studies would help at all really. We already know that behavior differences between animal species / breeds are genetic. Perhaps you could help with an example of a hypothetical study?

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    7. Lee Jussim‏ @PsychRabble Aug 12
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      Replying to @jonatanpallesen @XiXiDu and

      Not my field, plus its probably hard; I have little doubt it could be done (tho that's easy for me to say, not doing it). Develop a method for studying intelligence in other mammals like this. 1/n ending in END.pic.twitter.com/DpTgHDqERa

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    8. Lee Jussim‏ @PsychRabble Aug 12
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      Replying to @PsychRabble @jonatanpallesen and

      Then create strains of mice w/greater v. lesser intelligence. Heavily manip the environ to see how much one can undermine iq of smart mice, increase it among dumb mice.

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    9. Jonatan Pallesen‏ @jonatanpallesen Aug 12
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      Replying to @PsychRabble @XiXiDu and

      Let's assume that we do this succesfully. (A very safe assumption, given that there are difference in intelligence between animal species, and experiments like this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domesticated_red_fox ….) Then what? What does this tell us about humans, or about studying humans?

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    10. Lee Jussim‏ @PsychRabble Aug 12
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      Replying to @jonatanpallesen @XiXiDu and

      Very little. But if there is widespread consensus that such methods work w/a variety of other species, it tells us that our methods have been well-validated enough to begin considering the possibility of using them with humans. Minimal necessary condition, imho.

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      Emil O W Kirkegaard‏ @KirkegaardEmil Aug 12
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      Replying to @PsychRabble @jonatanpallesen and

      We have bred smarter rats, fish and probably others already. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tryon's_Rat_Experiment …https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3566478/ …

      8:26 AM - 12 Aug 2019
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        1. Lee Jussim‏ @PsychRabble Aug 12
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          Replying to @KirkegaardEmil @jonatanpallesen and

          Humans have bred animals for millenia without any equivalent to the modern understanding of evolution, genetics, or heritability. It does not help solve the problem of sources of intact group diffs.

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