Polygenetic scores are likely not effective enough for IVF embryo selection to produce big enhancements: https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/626846v1 … Paper discounts iterated embryo selection as too futuristic but sqrt(log(N)) is tough to beat: it might be data not tech that is limiting factor.
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"Given currently available polygenic predictors" "𝑟2_ps=4.3%" ^ There's the problem. *Current* polygenic scores are shit. Someone more knowledgeable like
@KirkegaardEmil feel free to correct me. What the prospects for improving r2_ps is beyond my understanding...2 replies 0 retweets 1 like -
... but I understand that they improved a lot fairly recently & the sample size of 230,000 for IQ is still 3 orders of magnitude smaller than what we can expect with population level data collection.
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Replying to @RokoMijicUK @anderssandberg and
so reading
@gwern I get the impression that the limiting factor here is poor quality data about traits & genes, utimately because we're not really trying very hard to do it properly. Maybe with falling prices for whole genome seq and privacy preserving tech we can improve?1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes -
I'd say it's more limited by analysis (eg why do they consider only single trait selection when they know perfectly well that understates the value by a factor of >4?) and number of embryos (which they also ridiculously downplay).
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There is a difference between credible (people are willing to believe) and plausible (has actual support) scenarios. Credible scenarios are a subset of plausible scenarios when we factor out credible but wrong scenarios. However, credible scenarios are more publishable.
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How about 'actual'?The *only* use of embryo selection in the real world (for cattle embryos) *is* multiple-trait selection! They select on indexes of breeding value.
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Did they actually do embryo selection on cattle? I didn't know that, assumed they just did ordinary selective breeding...
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Rule of thumb: the animal breeding people are always a few years head in terms of practical use of science because skin in the game.
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