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    1. Emil O W Kirkegaard‏ @KirkegaardEmil 10 Sep 2018
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      Arthur Jensen on Julian Stanley (founder of SMPY). https://www.psychologicalscience.org/observer/in-appreciation-julian-stanley …pic.twitter.com/ACx30RjriY

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    2. Emil O W Kirkegaard‏ @KirkegaardEmil 10 Sep 2018
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      I do wonder, @JonathanLWai @PsychRabble @Russwarne, this supposed stereotype of the gifted I highlighted. I've never seen any actual survey evidence of it. Do you know if such surveys were actually done, or did researchers just presume their view reflected general stereotype?

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    3. Emil O W Kirkegaard‏ @KirkegaardEmil 10 Sep 2018
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      I mean, maybe there was a stereotype about frail gifted, but only among academics/intellectuals, not among general population. Possible that these people were imputing their own experiences as dorks/nerds into general class of gifted kids who are usually fairly ordinary looking.

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    4. Russell T. Warne  🇺🇸 🇨🇱‏ @Russwarne 10 Sep 2018
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      There was a proverb at the time: "Early ripe, early rot." It originated in agriculture and apparently was applied to child-rearing in the early 20th century. Terman (1954) claimed that this was a common slogan about gifted children in the 1910's and 1920's. (1/3)

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    5. Russell T. Warne  🇺🇸 🇨🇱‏ @Russwarne 10 Sep 2018
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      But I can't find ANYONE using it to refer to children before he does (Terman & Oden, 1947). If it was such a common phrase/belief, it seems to have left no written trace. Everyone in #gifted ed just seems to believe Terman when he says it was a common belief. (2/3)

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    6. Russell T. Warne  🇺🇸 🇨🇱‏ @Russwarne 10 Sep 2018
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      Still, it's not a crazy idea for the time. William James Sidis was a VERY prominent child prodigy who burned out early. Also, there WAS the stereotype that #gifted children were sickly, socially awkward bookworms. But that's not the same as "early ripe, early rot." (3/3)

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    7. Emil O W Kirkegaard‏ @KirkegaardEmil 10 Sep 2018
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      What about work by Leta Hollingworth? She ought to have mentioned something. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leta_Stetter_Hollingworth …

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    8. Russell T. Warne  🇺🇸 🇨🇱‏ @Russwarne 10 Sep 2018
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      I'm not as well versed in Hollingworth's thought, but I have read quite a bit of her stuff. I'm not aware of her saying it. The best discussion of the phrase is here: https://books.google.com/books?id=_qPpCgAAQBAJ&pg=PA275&lpg=PA275&dq=%22early+ripe+early+rot%22+Shakespeare&source=bl&ots=EiY0bh4q64&sig=D1p1L3Kge65jyVMljLZNeo29Tkw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjChu-WqrLdAhXrYt8KHTThBO0Q6AEwAXoECAkQAQ#v=onepage&q=%22early%20ripe%20early%20rot%22%20Shakespeare&f=false …

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    9. Russell T. Warne  🇺🇸 🇨🇱‏ @Russwarne 10 Sep 2018
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      But notice that most of the references are to agriculture. Even the references to humans mostly talk about longevity (not the same as "burning out" in adulthood). The idea that "early ripe, early rot" was widespread in regards to #gifted kids may be folklore about folklore.

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      Emil O W Kirkegaard‏ @KirkegaardEmil 11 Sep 2018
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      My general finding about many of these things is that a lot of history is basically false, based on too strong reliance on single sources (case in point here: Terman) or historian's own biases. So that's why I'm asking for quant data. One can extract it from word embeddings.

      12:00 AM - 11 Sep 2018
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        1. Emil O W Kirkegaard‏ @KirkegaardEmil 11 Sep 2018
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          See this cool paper. Method is generally applicable to text to infer popular stereotypes over time.http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2018/03/30/1720347115 …

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        1. Russell T. Warne  🇺🇸 🇨🇱‏ @Russwarne 11 Sep 2018
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          Robert Sears (a member of Terman's study and someone in a position to know) also says in 1984 that it was a common belief. But I can't find anyone saying it AT THE TIME.

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