Arthur Jensen on Julian Stanley (founder of SMPY). https://www.psychologicalscience.org/observer/in-appreciation-julian-stanley …pic.twitter.com/ACx30RjriY
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I do wonder,
@JonathanLWai@PsychRabble@Russwarne, this supposed stereotype of the gifted I highlighted. I've never seen any actual survey evidence of it. Do you know if such surveys were actually done, or did researchers just presume their view reflected general stereotype?Show this thread
I mean, maybe there was a stereotype about frail gifted, but only among academics/intellectuals, not among general population. Possible that these people were imputing their own experiences as dorks/nerds into general class of gifted kids who are usually fairly ordinary looking.
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There was a proverb at the time: "Early ripe, early rot." It originated in agriculture and apparently was applied to child-rearing in the early 20th century. Terman (1954) claimed that this was a common slogan about gifted children in the 1910's and 1920's. (1/3)
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But I can't find ANYONE using it to refer to children before he does (Terman & Oden, 1947). If it was such a common phrase/belief, it seems to have left no written trace. Everyone in
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Still, it's not a crazy idea for the time. William James Sidis was a VERY prominent child prodigy who burned out early. Also, there WAS the stereotype that
#gifted children were sickly, socially awkward bookworms. But that's not the same as "early ripe, early rot." (3/3) -
What about work by Leta Hollingworth? She ought to have mentioned something. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leta_Stetter_Hollingworth …
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I'm not as well versed in Hollingworth's thought, but I have read quite a bit of her stuff. I'm not aware of her saying it. The best discussion of the phrase is here: https://books.google.com/books?id=_qPpCgAAQBAJ&pg=PA275&lpg=PA275&dq=%22early+ripe+early+rot%22+Shakespeare&source=bl&ots=EiY0bh4q64&sig=D1p1L3Kge65jyVMljLZNeo29Tkw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjChu-WqrLdAhXrYt8KHTThBO0Q6AEwAXoECAkQAQ#v=onepage&q=%22early%20ripe%20early%20rot%22%20Shakespeare&f=false …
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But notice that most of the references are to agriculture. Even the references to humans mostly talk about longevity (not the same as "burning out" in adulthood). The idea that "early ripe, early rot" was widespread in regards to
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My general finding about many of these things is that a lot of history is basically false, based on too strong reliance on single sources (case in point here: Terman) or historian's own biases. So that's why I'm asking for quant data. One can extract it from word embeddings.
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See this cool paper. Method is generally applicable to text to infer popular stereotypes over time.http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2018/03/30/1720347115 …
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