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    Emil O W Kirkegaard‏ @KirkegaardEmil 23 Aug 2018
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    The mystery of Finns. Lots of historical inbreeding, non-Germanic population, but somehow able to easily implement typical Scandi-Dutch type welfare state. Of course, Swedes run their country to large extent, but still. (Many Finns have are part Swede) https://psyarxiv.com/d6qhu/ pic.twitter.com/BJXrWzl0DS

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        https://svenska.yle.fi/artikel/2011/08/29/hs-manga-finlandssvenskar-i-borsstyrelserna … https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish-speaking_population_of_Finland#Historical_predominance_of_the_Swedish_language_among_the_gentry … Finland dominated by coastal regions where Swedes settled. The ancestry can be seen in admixture studies. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:PCA_of_Sweden_and_Finland.png#/media/File:Clustering_of_North_European_individuals_by_the_Structure_software.png …

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      4. Emil O W Kirkegaard‏ @KirkegaardEmil 24 Aug 2018
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        That's pretty much true as well.

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        Same same.

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      2. Timofey Pnin‏ @pnin1957 24 Aug 2018
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        How can Finns have some of the highest "kinship intensity" while having ~0% cousin marriages, being monogamous and, AFAIK, having copied their community organization straight from Sweden. (The index comprises those three things + unilineality + co-residence of extended families.)

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        don't confuse monogamy vs. polygamy and nuclear vs. extended families. (i see people do this a lot.) not the same. finland had extended families up until very recently in the regions that didn't see much settlement of swedes. and the into of swedish forms is fairly recent.

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        The data are from ~1900, so you would expect the Swedish influence have percolated through society by then as Finland had been part of Sweden since 12th century.

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        no, 'cause "modern" land reform and inheritance laws weren't applied to n/ne finland until the 1700s. the extended family was still important in many parts of eastern finland into the 20th C. (https://books.google.com/books?id=fVjC9CdKmXsC …)pic.twitter.com/9QfqiNzY2H

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        It still doesn't add up. In one (less populous?) part of the the country, some indicators (e.g. polygamy) of kinship intensity had "always" been low, while others had been in decline for centuries by 1900. Yet the index groups Finns w/ some of the most tribal peoples of the world

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        firstly, their kinship intensity index comprises five, not three, things: cuz marriage, polygamy, extended families, community organization (clans, etc.), and unilineal descent...pic.twitter.com/LULtFY1bcC

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        ...and secondly, the data come from murdoch's ethnographic atlas which includes data on several finnic peoples (karelians, for eg), but not finns proper. (https://d-place.org/societies?p=%5B5%5D …) see what they did there in fitting these data onto language groups? not sure that was a great idea.

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        So "Finland" in the Schulz et al. paper does not actually refer to Finns proper? That would certainly explain a lot. (And yes, I know the index has 5 indicators, I pointed it out upthread!)

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      2.  🎃 🕸 👻 hbd chick 👻 🕸 🎃‏ @hbdchick 24 Aug 2018
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        i think it's prolly down to the swedes. would love to see a bunch of metrics for finland broken down by subpops/regions.

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