Honestly, given how mild the disease was for the cases, & the trip time, I wonder how plausible asymptomatic v “indistinguishable from jet lag in winter” is.
@maiamajumder and @rocza have also both suggested to me that fomites might be plausible.
Much more research needed.
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Also, look carefully at the timeline chart. Every single virologist and epi expert I know who has looked at the actual timeline chart has had almost as many issues with it as I have.
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Agreed. It’s interesting but who the hell knows how accurate self reporting can ever be.
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Well, especially since it appears all the self-reported symptoms in the other patients occurred after they were told they were exposed.
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Odgovor korisnicima @rocza @angie_rasmussen i sljedećem broju korisnika:
Oh. Man. Did you see this, Angie? My favorite sentence: "All seven people attended various meetings together in Stockdorf, the company said in a statement Friday." https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2020-01-31/coronavirus-spreading-in-munich-shows-difficulty-halting-new-bug …?
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I am incredibly confused about how these events went down. If they're all having meetings together, did Webasto just refute the NEJM piece? Did the patients incorrectly self-report their meeting schedules too?
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I mean, it sounds like it.
I suppose the other option is that there were a series of meetings taking place, even if they all weren't in the same room at the same time - but that would STRONGLY suggest fomite transmission to me.0 proslijeđenih tweetova 6 korisnika označava da im se sviđa -
Also, is the index patient who first noticed her symptoms on the plane to China included in the seven patients here? The 7 are defined as employees of Webasto and doesn't specify where they actually are. If patient 1 is included, doesn't that mean she's in all these meetings too?
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As far as I know, the Index Patient is included in the 7 patients. There are the five (Index and four others) from the Letter, and 2 more discovered... Thursday? This is why I refuse to use the letter as the basis for anything. CLEARLY it doesn't have all of the information.
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Totally. It's pretty bad when a corporate PR office is more clear than a letter to one of the major medical journals of record. A letter is basically no different from a pre-print. I don't think letters go through peer review (or do they)?
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Hmm...you would almost think that these would be the questions that should have been asked or discussed prior to publication and the subsequent melee of media surrounding the results
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Odgovor korisnicima @KindrachukJason @rocza i sljedećem broju korisnika:
NEJM: What nCoV2019 hot take should we publish today? *pulls letter from the pile and hits publish* Me (reads): Interesting Me (reads 2X): Ummm hold on Me (reads 3X): *head desk* Tony Fauci: THERE IS NO DOUBT Laurie Garrett: *smiles smugly before self-RTing prophecy of doom*
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Odgovor korisnicima @angie_rasmussen @rocza i sljedećem broju korisnika:
Between this and preprint hell it’s been quite a week
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