So I get where the incel impulse comes from. That sense of entitlement and self-loathing. I am glad the manosphere did not exist when I was 16.
Note that love or affection for someone other than the entirely physical doesn’t even factor into these idiots’ thinking. Being incel isn’t a cause of their distress - as if they’re victims - their complete detachment from other human beings is the cause.https://twitter.com/chick_in_kiev/status/990235360209915905 …
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And I agree that shutting down the websites that host this toxic masculinity is a good start. But there’s some stuff we need to start talking to boys about self-esteem, empathy & consent before they hit puberty. I hope things have changed since my day.
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I’m thinking teaching some critical thinking would be a good start or they’ll twist whatever else they hear into their own reality (which is what I see happening more and more these days).
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I’m gonna disagree with you. I think you need to start with the emotional core of this, before getting all up in the rational.
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Except there's already lots of discussion on consent, mysogyny, etc. particularly in light of # metoo. But the incels interpret that stuff as some kind of femenist conspiracy. Their position is "We tried doing things 'by the rules' & it didn't work, so the rules must be broken."
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They're looking for the silver bullet or cheat code they assume must exist within society to get laid. Hence why most of them have tried those pick up scams at some point, which just embeds the mysogyny & 'unfairness' still further when those tactics don't work.
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All that you say is true. N.B. My initial comment was not about talking to a 22 yr old on reddit. But 7/8/9 yr olds. I’m not sure there are any words that can get thru to the existing online incel community.
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The danah boyd talk covers the limits of critical thinking / media literacy. We have to find ways of reintegrating at least some of incel radicals into broader society. That’s not going to be easy.
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