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Writer, software person, armchair anthropologist, dilettante. All genders, all political opinions welcome. Book: https://amzn.com/0190495995/ 

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    1. Kevin Simler‏ @KevinSimler 28 Nov 2017
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      The Leaning Tower of Morality — my latest post at Ribbonfarm https://www.ribbonfarm.com/2017/11/28/the-leaning-tower-of-morality/ …pic.twitter.com/auVwXM2VBd

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    2. Porous Torus‏ @atthatmatt 28 Nov 2017
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      I feel like you're conflating a person's agreement with themselves and a person's agreement with other people. They're related, but distinct.

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    3. Kevin Simler‏ @KevinSimler 28 Nov 2017
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      I don't follow... can you spell it out for me?

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    4. Porous Torus‏ @atthatmatt 28 Nov 2017
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      Well, personally I call "concepts of right/wrong" morality and "compromises of right/wrong with nature and others" ethics.

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    5. Porous Torus‏ @atthatmatt 28 Nov 2017
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      So you can think whatever you want about right/wrong, and that's your morality. But when you try to act on it, and are constrained by the natural world and the other people in it, you format new system of right/wrong based in compromises that are practical.

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    6. Kevin Simler‏ @KevinSimler 28 Nov 2017
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      OK. In that case, chuck the term "morality" and pretend I never mentioned it. Just focus on "behavior that seems to help others at one's own expense." Is there still a problem?

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    7. Porous Torus‏ @atthatmatt 28 Nov 2017
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      I'm not sure. Different frameworks trying to match up. I don't see anything in the post about what a person believes is right, only the systems of practical compromises. That's why they seemed conflated, but maybe you just didn't think beliefs we're relevant?

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    8. Kevin Simler‏ @KevinSimler 28 Nov 2017
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      ah yes, that's right. we must be talking past each other 😬. in the kind of analysis i'm trying to do, i consider beliefs to be (mostly) irrelevant

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    9. Porous Torus‏ @atthatmatt 28 Nov 2017
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      Okay, then it seems weird to make people first class entities. Aren't they 90% being driven by they system? If beliefs don't matter, then people are mostly passive cogs, so shouldn't something like genes be the focus?

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      Kevin Simler‏ @KevinSimler 28 Nov 2017
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      i think the ideas i'm trying to convey are about (abstract) niches and strategies in a complex system, rather than about any particular things that might instantiate those strategies (genes, people, beliefs, etc.)

      2:09 PM - 28 Nov 2017
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        1. Porous Torus‏ @atthatmatt 28 Nov 2017
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          Is it accurate to say you're more interested in observing and cataloguing than in driving to root cause?

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        2. Kevin Simler‏ @KevinSimler 28 Nov 2017
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          no.... v. interested in driving to root cause :)

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