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STEELMANNING THREAD! (something to try now that we all have 280...) Rules: 1a. Post arguments/positions you'd like to see steeled. —or— 1b. Jump in and help steel the args/positions others have posted. 2. NO DEBATES. Only argue *in favor* of the point in question. 3. Be kind.
Can anyone help me understand this one?: “The mainstream media (e.g., CNN) are ‘fake news’ or in some other way a real problem for us (in their current form).”
ONE: JOURNALISTS ARE NOT NON-IDEOLOGICAL. THEY LIE IF THEY THINK THEY CAN GET AWAY WITH IT. TWO: CHOICE OF TOPIC CAN MISLEAD EVEN IF TRUE.
THREE: LIES CAN RUN AROUND THE WORLD BEFORE THE TRUTH HAS GOT ITS BOOTS ON. RETRACTIONS GO UNNOTICED. FOUR: THEY CAN SPREAD UNVERIFIED THINGS WITHOUT OUTRIGHT LYING.
There's a great amount of inertia in who "won out" in becoming the gatekeepers of journalistic integrity. Now instead of retaining their place through honest competition, they largely spend time discrediting upstarts in order to keep their position.
Thanks! What’s an example of how they spend time discrediting upstarts?
News is reported, in words and in sentences, by human people with human biases; as much as they, and their orgs, try, their language will remain tinted, if not tainted, by those biases. What we call things is how we understand them, and vice versa.
Journalism attracts a more liberal cohort, perhaps -- those who want to expose injustice, to give voices to those without. And eventually, the liberal journalists with their liberal words seep into, take over, and control the public discourse.
Gahhhh your “no debating” rule is killing me. Can I pretend that I disagree & try to strongman it from there?
Hah, was thinking of tagging you for this one. Def want to hear your arguments! You're just not allowed to have (show) attachment to them ;)
effective propaganda puts a tiny set of true things inside a lot of narrative scaffolding. also an exact description of what journalists do
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