@KevinSimler @adamdangelo yup see previous link - it's possible but not universal, as in human economic systems
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Replying to @sarahdoingthing
@sarahdoingthing@adamdangelo So...do straight up "make life harder (for males)"-type handicaps exist? Or only liar-prevention handicaps?2 replies 0 retweets 1 like -
Replying to @KevinSimler
@KevinSimler@adamdangelo all the latter are the former - not sure what the point of male hardship without signal/mating benefit would be2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes -
Replying to @sarahdoingthing
@sarahdoingthing@adamdangelo Point might be to prove the fitness of the rest of the genome.1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes -
Replying to @KevinSimler
@KevinSimler fitness is not just about survival. you see weird things like horns only useful for ritual combat with conspecifics2 replies 0 retweets 2 likes -
Replying to @sarahdoingthing
@KevinSimler so even if it's not just about female choice, dominating mating is just as constraining on fitness as survival1 reply 0 retweets 1 like -
Replying to @sarahdoingthing
@sarahdoingthing Of course!! I get this. Lots of "waste" all around.1 reply 0 retweets 1 like -
Replying to @KevinSimler
@sarahdoingthing I am wondering about the existence of a specific kind of waste: a straight up survival handicap w/ no other signaling value1 reply 0 retweets 1 like -
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@sarahdoingthing Does such a thing exist? I proposed a v. handwavy model for why it might (in my initial question). But I have no idea.2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes -
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@KevinSimler@sarahdoingthing So much in human culture, sui generis zoologically, seems to fit. I'm sure that's not where you want to start.1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
@NineBandedBooks @sarahdoingthing Probably not. I'm wondering about the ones that can be sexually-selected/baked into genes.
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Replying to @KevinSimler
@KevinSimler@sarahdoingthing I really don't know. I think of sexual selection as a handmaiden to survival selection. Works or it doesn't.1 reply 0 retweets 1 like -
Replying to @NineBandedBooks
@NineBandedBooks@KevinSimler@sarahdoingthing some stuff that is pure drift, but anything that's strictly wasteful would never replicate0 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
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