Kevin Simler

@Meaningness Great point. Can you generalize? One factor is probably dominance-based vs. loyalty-based leadership.

@KevinSimler @Meaningness Is there a relationship to rent-seeking vs. innovation?

@paulbaumgart @Meaningness I don't immediately see one, but how are you thinking it might go?

@KevinSimler @Meaningness The more wealth-extractive your group, the more effective dominance can be, the more parasitical the leaders are?

@paulbaumgart @Meaningness OK yeah, makes sense. If your goal is to extract/be a parasite, you won't go beyond the lip of the volcano?

@KevinSimler @paulbaumgart Or maybe: there are multiple routes to prestige, accessible to different sorts of people; only some require s-s.

@Meaningness @paulbaumgart This has to be true. Although I might argue that all prestige requires s-s, but not all is -EV fitness-wise

@Meaningness @paulbaumgart (which raises the question of what one really means by self-"sacrifice," "altruism," etc.)