what kind of legacy do you want to have among the people who remember you once you're gone? and how large do you want that group to be?
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Replying to @sonyasupposedly @sonyaellenmann
Kevin Simler Retweeted Eddie Ten Hawks
tbc this isn’t actually my desire :P it just came to mind when reading eddie’s remarks https://twitter.com/random_eddie/status/1145738624136335360?s=21 … “stamp my fame on men’s minds” so violent
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Eddie Ten Hawks @random_eddieReplying to @random_eddie @sonyaellenmannThe desire to have a legacy is the desire to persuade hundreds, thousands, or millions of people that you don't know and have never met to do something unnatural: to regard you fondly as if you knew them and they knew you. It's the desire for a mild form of mass mind control.1 reply 0 retweets 1 like -
Replying to @KevinSimler @sonyaellenmann
The Gilgamesh clip and this sub-thread remind me of the notion that proof of a life well-loved is when your fame outlives you. It's heavy in the Anglo-Saxon epics, and the Homeric ones -- I wonder if only cultures with these notions of long-lasting glory bother to compose epics?
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Replying to @dmcdougall @sonyaellenmann
yeah, wish I had a deeper grasp of non-Western cultures so I could triangulate outside my own. The desire for fame kinda seems like a natural extension of the conquering mindset (and therefore ~universal?). Conquer all known territory → conquer the future
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Replying to @KevinSimler @sonyaellenmann
I don't think that these fames are necessarily about conquering! Even in the Anglo-Saxon and Greek notions, I'd argue that glory is not about conquering as much as it is about serving those around you through self-sacrifice War is just the field of play :)
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Yes, sorry... I meant mainly *Gilgamesh’s* attitude toward fame is imperialistic (“stamping”). I can see that e.g. Greek notions might be more peaceful
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Replying to @KevinSimler @sonyaellenmann
I agree! The Sumerians thinks fame comes from crushing victories The Anglo-Saxons think fame comes from victorious war to lead your people to shared prosperity Homeric Greeks think fame comes from showing moral strength in service of ideals, often during war
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