People need to get it though their skulls that Wales ≠ Scotland. Plaid has barriers that the SNP simply didn’t have, making indy is unachievable if it’s just one major party backing it. Rather than looking down their noses at Labour, indy supporters need to convince them on side
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Als antwoord op @Sawd0n_ @aprhisiart21
And Indy supporting Labour member is, currently, paradoxical though with the Welsh Labour Party line pretty unionisty.
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Als antwoord op @Haz_S_ @aprhisiart21
Yet they exist, in the thousands. Again, Wales isn’t Scotland. Scot Labour is very close to UK Labour, not so much the same for Welsh Labour, Rhodri Morgan’s “clear red water”. There have been talks in WLab in the past of separating from UKLab and work like SDLP, that could work.
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Als antwoord op @Sawd0n_ @aprhisiart21
I mean, Rhodri's politics were a far cry from the politics of some contemporary Labour MS's with some holding particularly unionist views. The fact that there's 1000s of them doesn't change the fact that they're a paradox within their own party.
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Als antwoord op @Haz_S_ @aprhisiart21
But the dominant party they are nonetheless. For policies to change, enough people in the party have to support it. Which is why we should be encouraging them rather than looking down on them. Like it or not, we’re not winning it without them.
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Als antwoord op @Sawd0n_ @aprhisiart21
I agree to some extent. But I think that there needs to be a level of self reflection from them too that maybe their beloved party doesn't want what they want and not keep meekly supporting them in the hope they'll change when there's clear alternatives.
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You would be surprised how many Labour members are open minded about what's best for Wales. I'm Indie curious and fully supportive of self determination - whether that be independence or DevoMax. Its the peoples choice
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Appreciate that but my point remains that if your party's policies don't reflect your own (which in the case of Indy supporting Labour members they dont) then at what point do you make the cut? Many Labour members in RCT just appear to blindly vote Labour "whatever the weather."
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I think that's very much an historical view
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To some extent yes. But there are a number of Labour activists in Rhondda who, in my opinion, are closer to the politics of UK Labour instead of Welsh Labour due to the influence of Chris Bryant. This doesn't make my historical view untrue then.
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