I am not alone - many in Welsh Labour are happy to discuss independence - and real federalism as an alternative. We aren’t going to end up like Scottish Labour
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Als antwoord op @KevinPascoe @EfanIfor en
Federalism won't work .... As the real power will still reside in london. We need the power here in Wales. Independence can only deliver that
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Als antwoord op @jasper_welsh @EfanIfor en
I’m talking about true federalism where we choose what we buy into and what we don’t. For example my personal views on Trident is that we shouldn’t contribute
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Als antwoord op @KevinPascoe @EfanIfor en
But the only way we will truly be independent is by being Independent and having all levers of power in Wales ,have our own central bank so we are in control of borrowing and have our own currency. We need all control of resources to be in Wales's parliament s hands
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Als antwoord op @jasper_welsh @EfanIfor en
I understand your perspective, but Elfyn has brought some very practical perspectives on its road to achievement. I’ve enjoyed the discussion but I’m off to bed now. Good night
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Als antwoord op @KevinPascoe @jasper_welsh en
Are you talking about Federacy like Puerto Rico, Barbuda, Nevis or Åland?
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Als antwoord op @7puzzle @jasper_welsh en
I’m talking in the broadest terms of our right to self-determine what we choose to buy into and what not to. I have no particular model in mind just the self-determination principle
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Als antwoord op @KevinPascoe @7puzzle en
I know of no Federal structure where you can just 'opt in' or 'opt-out', so, given this fact, not withstanding all issues associated with fiscal transfers, we really are looking at real independence, and that means having our own Monetary System from the get go.
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Als antwoord op @rodgers_tc @7puzzle en
Obviously you are entitled to your view
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Als antwoord op @KevinPascoe @rodgers_tc en
What’s more important to you Kevin, your party or your country?
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What a stupid question 
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