I agree that we need the non partisan @undodcymru’s & @indytanc’s but at the moment I cannot see WLab ever back indy or Plaid be radical enough to emulate the SNP at the ballot box
So I think we’ll need a coalition of indy parties or a new progressive party to galvanise the >
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Als antwoord op @EfanIfor @Plaid_Cymru en
> movement at the ballot box and in the Senedd. Of course there is the alt view that we just build support for it amongst electorate so that when Scots & N.Ire leave it will be necessary to ask electorate if they wish to remain Eng&Wal, and it’s at this point we win a vote.<
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Als antwoord op @EfanIfor @SCClarkCymru en
I think Labour will end up backing it - just because enough of their electorate end up supporting it. But they’ll do their best to hinder until then. And I don’t think we want an SNP situation - ideal world imo is an Indy wales breaks with one-partyism.
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Als antwoord op @AlexHeffron20 @EfanIfor en
I think WLab might be farther along than people think - regional ballots are pushing Indy (curious) people into the Senedd (eg Kevin pascoe on the list and Ben gwalchmai on the ballot). Scottish Labour would never have allowed that.
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I am not alone - many in Welsh Labour are happy to discuss independence - and real federalism as an alternative. We aren’t going to end up like Scottish Labour
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Als antwoord op @KevinPascoe @EfanIfor en
Federalism can never work with such unequal partners. England would never accept the Celtic nations having an equal say in Foreign affairs, economy, defence and why should they? 3 million having equal shout with 40? Not going to happen.
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Als antwoord op @rapsiencyn @EfanIfor en
But worth trying none the less
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Als antwoord op @KevinPascoe @EfanIfor en
That’s like saying jumping off this roof into swimming pool may well kill me but it’s worth a try! Independence is far more ‘worth trying’?
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Als antwoord op @rapsiencyn @EfanIfor en
Unlike the Brexit campaign there needs to be honest debate about the advantages and disadvantages of independence.
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Als antwoord op @KevinPascoe @rapsiencyn en
What do you consider to be the disadvantages from your own perspective please Kevin?
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As outlined in Elfyn’s report it’s our economic / fiscal unreadiness, the need for public service cuts / tax hikes isn’t a price worth paying at this point. It’s as practical as that. I have no fear that Wales can stand as an independent nation but it must have a sound economy
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Als antwoord op @KevinPascoe @rapsiencyn en
Diolch Kevin for replying. Would it be possible for you to elaborate on your points there please? I’d be very interested to know what will make, in your opinion, our economy equipped to be independent? Where does our economy to be in your mind? What would you require to 1/2>
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Als antwoord op @EfanIfor @KevinPascoe en
> convince you that it had been achieved and that Wales was now in a fiscal position for you to get on board with? Also, finallyDo you think independence would help us get there or hinder us, & visa versa, do you think being in the union helps us or hinders us getting there?2/2<
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