I’m puzzled. Can you point to specific errors or issues so we can correct/clarify as needed? The article explicitly states we won’t know CFR for a while bc of under-reporting cases, lag time to deaths, and also that regional variation is likely.
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These are same points made in the Times article so I am not sure what the discrepancy is.
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Als antwoord op @juliaoftoronto @amymaxmen
Thanks Julia for reaching out to try and clarify. I unfortunately can't point out every mistake as there are many. The main issue is that the rates are calculated incorrectly - see here for how to more accurately calculating CFRs: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-death-rate/ … 1/n
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The most important point is that you don't take epidemic growth into consideration (which will increase the CFR). You correctly identify the role of asymptomatics and mild cases (decreasing the rate), but those are not part of CFRs - they're part of infection fatalities. 2/n
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Given an exponential increase in the number of cases (which is what we observe in many places), not taking into account epidemic growth is going to dwarf out any effect milder cases will have on rates - especially since the frequency of asymptomatics appear to be low. 3/n
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So statements like this "South Korea, for example, where they are testing thousands of people every day, they’ve picked up more than 6,088 people with the virus. Among those, 35 have died. That’s a case fatality rate, for the moment, of around 0.5 percent" 4/n
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ends up being wrong - because epidemic growth isn't taken into consideration. The CFR (while much too early to estimate accurately) actually trends at ~3-4% in South Korea when you take epidemic growth into consideration - not 0.5%. 5/n
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This is also the main reason this figure shows a decrease in rates - earlier time points have most patients having known outcomes, but in the more recent estimates the dead haven't died yet. 6/npic.twitter.com/7JAzeRWR5b
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The main thing to keep in mind - while it takes ~1 week to become a case, it takes and additional 1-3 weeks to either recover or die from infection. So the denominators has to be back-dated by the "time to death". 7/n
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Als antwoord op @K_G_Andersen @amymaxmen
The story states this too... “It takes a long time to die” from Covid-19, said University of Toronto epidemiologist David Fisman. “We estimate the length of stay in cases who died in ICU in China to be 28 days on average — three days in hospital and 25 days in ICU.”
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Yup, the story says it, yet the calculations don't take that into consideration (same with the graph) so they end up making that exact mistake.
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Als antwoord op @K_G_Andersen @amymaxmen
Again the CFRs in the story - WHO, US and Korea — are there to show the stupidity of trying to come to a Cfr now. The story is not saying the Korea or US cfrs are currently reliable
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1700 students take a test. 124 finish early. 41(33%) fail,83 pass. Principal asks how they're doing. Although not all are complete so far 33% have failed. This is the problem with CFR because it doesnt come into play until all tests finished. Which is why slow gov response.
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