Otherwise, you’re just a class warfare bullsh*tter who doesn’t really want to do anything to help those kids. You’d rather keep them “in their place” so you can keep complaining about The System. Why not change that system instead?
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No, that study is terribly flawed.
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working in a comprehensive in a grammar borough, our top achievers come to us thinking they're stupid. Sometimes we can't ever reverse that misconception. Such wasted potential. Of course we can do more at our school, but still. Why not grammars for all?!
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Because grammars are about selection. If you select everybody, then you aren't selecting. Which would be good, because selection disadvantages already disadvantaged groups.
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Completely agree. And I think the data also shows this. But everyone deserves high standards, high expectations, and a challenging curriculum.
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Spot on, but let's have high standard comprehensives and lose the hierarchical, class ridden baggage of the word 'grammar'...
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Bollocks. Grammars just allow a better education to middle class kids. Well off parents pay for extra tuition so they pass the 11 plus. It does little for working class kids.
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My brother was a working class kid he did ok at Grammar School
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Brilliant. That's not data.
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Neither was your tweet.
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This report appears to say (correct me if I’m wrong, I’m reading it intermittently on the tube) that grammar schools are of some use to kids who attend them but of no use to those who don’t
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It says as much. But that also reinforces my point that entry exams can be gamed and working class kids don't pass them and so benefit from Grammars. So the evidence that grammars give a leg up to poorer kids is sketchy at best. I generalise BTW.
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If you are genuinely interested in education, then find out about recent research suggesting that selection by ability widens attainment gaps. It further disadvantages already disadvantaged groups.https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/berj.3321 …
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More on the deleterious effects of ability setting from rights-based perspectives
@DaleneMSwanson, Yu H & Mouroutsou S (2017) Inclusion as Ethics, Equity and/or Human Rights? Spotlighting School Mathematics Practices in Scotland, Social Inclusion http://dx.doi.org/10.17645/si.v5i3.984 …
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Everyone forgets the 11+ "failures", the ones who believed they were destined for manual work because of a test they took at 11. I met so many via OU study. Clever people, let down badly. My ordinary Comprehensive sent so many "working class" kids to Uni.
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And just how snobbish is that? Manual work is just as difficult and challenging and needs as much brain as a white collar desk job! Stop dissing the workers!
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You are a failure if you fail the 11+(or 12+ in my case). That is how you feel when you are given the results and that feeling never goes away.
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No, you are not! I “failed” it too- but when one door shuts, another opens. Don’t let the B’s grind you down! Especially not the snobs who value pieces of academic paper above skill and intelligence.
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Being told you are not good enough to go to the most highly regarded schools in your area you are a failure, sorry but that's the truth. And that never leaves you. I agree with you about other kinds of intelligence and skill but why separate people at 12?
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What’s wrong is the value system: “highly regarded” schools=“academic”=preparation for white collar. Others not “highly regarded” just because not focused on preparing for white collar. Attitudes rooted in late Victorian/ Edwardian class system, not merit or worth
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What's wrong is an education system that's based on a career, not careers! We need to stop peoples education focus narrowing so early in their lives. Most people are more than capable of excelling in both vocational and academic education at different stages of their life.
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