Questions to ask people who oppose grammar schools: 1. what kind of school did they attend? 2. what kind of school do their children attend?
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"People" = "people I've argued with about this at dinner parties", perhaps?
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And your point is? Real people don't have dinner together I suppose?
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Course they do - but dinner party companions a fairly small & unscientific sample to present as evidence.
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Lets keep it simple then. Grammars are better academically but 11+ is bad.
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my apologies - was rather caught up in a Popperian moment
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and what % in your mind constitutes often and when does that become significant rather than a intuition fallacy
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