People like @IainDale convinced you to vote for Brexit to save the £0.0088 you contribute to Jean-Claude Junker’s wages. 320,000 sleep rough in Britain. Imagine a world in which £2 billion helps humans instead of following geeks down rabbit holeshttps://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/dec/17/theresa-may-pushes-forward-2bn-no-deal-brexit-preparations …
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Well, you DID claim something. You claimed the numbers were out by about 5,000.
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To quote one source (BBC): "The latest release shows that in autumn 2017, there were 4,751 people sleeping rough in England"
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Yeah I can read the article - but you said '320,000 sleep rough', which is not true
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Then cite the official estimate you jumped on
@richardpbacon for “lying” about. Based on figures which are known to be difficult to accurately measure you asserted a figure of 5k. So am interested based on what official figure and what definition of homelessness? -
Right so we are discussing rough sleepers, care to comment on this then:https://www.nao.org.uk/naoblog/growing-number-of-rough-sleepers/ …
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Rough sleeping is living on the streets, homeless is being without permanent accommodation. So all rough sleepers are homeless, not all homeless are rough sleepers. The average age of 40 relates to rough sleepers not homeless. All of it is morally wrong though.
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Many thanks for that, nasty reading. The focus of that report is on identified rough sleepers which means it can’t easily be applied to the 100s of 1000s of people who are without permenant accommodation who’s life expectancy is more inline with the general population.
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I should be clear, I am not denigrating the importance of this though, more over highlighting that there now so many more people in the general population who are homeless that it has become a frightening norm and that we shouldn’t just see homeless as roughsleepers
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Just read the article Julia and you will see it states that 295,000 of that number are in temporary accomodation meaning he was false using that number for rough sleepers.
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I work in this sector and it’s a very complicated picture. Many rough sleepers simply don’t want to live a ‘conventional’ life and it’s very difficult to get them to sustain a tenancy. Many in ‘temporary’ accommodation are adequately housed but are owed a homeless duty (see 2)
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2 the council then have to provide a secure social tenancy which there are a shortage of. The estimates of sofa surfing etc are very difficult to quantify and in any case if someone leaves their permanent home (say with the family at what point are they homeless) see 3
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3 I think when people talk about homeless it’s street homeless that people think they are talking about which is misleading. We had rented cities of east Europeans where I work who made the sensible commercial decision to beg on a wealthy British city street
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