For the hard of understanding, my point was that OTHER people (ie NOT ME) might claim they could discriminate against/refuse to serve someone they don’t like on other grounds that WE might not like race, religion, sexuality. That’s not the same as ME saying they’re equally bad.https://twitter.com/jimmfelton/status/1011950530384596992 …
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Yeah I remember the day my mum laid out a dozen holy texts plus something from
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People are born with their religion! I don't remember the religion menu in the maternity suite!
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True. Your parents decide what or if you're raised within a religion. It's not like, as a baby or younger child, one has a choice. It's disingenuous to say the majority of people choose their religion. They're indoctrinated from birth. They can choose to reject religion later.
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That's not really true, though. If you're born to Muslim parents in Saudi Arabia, you're incredibly unlikely to grow up a Catholic. To say that such a child has a 'choice' is misleading
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As this discussion is US based, if that baby moved to the US, then yes, being a Muslim is a choice. So not misleading. One might say your using Saudi Arabia as a point is misleading
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I think you misunderstand my point entirely, and I used Saudi Arabia only as an example I could have said a baby born to Catholic parents in Ireland, Jewish parents in Israel, or Mormon parents in America
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Ok fair enough but any adult can choose their religion, which includes the choice to remain in that religion. I’m weirdly defending Hartley-Brewers point, when I fundamentally disagree with her premise. Twitter has got to me.
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They can choose on the face of it, but I think the choice is often an illusion. That's my argument If the choice was 100%, then there would be as many people 'choosing' to be Jewish in Rome, as they do Catholic The fact is, it's not a true choice
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Agreed. These are nominal or culturally religious. Here’s the problem, if I wish to refuse service to a known bigot, due to their ideology, then I should be able to do the same wether that bigotry comes from “scripture” or any other script. Religions can’t claim immutability.
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I understand your point, however...many religious people aren't bigoted. You can't assu someone is bigoted because of their religion. But you can conclude that Sarah is bigoted because of her actions (or at least, the actions she has defended)
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No they aren’t bigoted but they support the bigotry by legitimising it. They are not blameless if they claim to be a part of bigotry. We allow the religious the privilege that no other ideologies get. If we give even tacit support to bigotry how will it ever go away?
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Indoctrination aside, at the end of the day the law is quite solid in the fact that both sexual orientation and religious beliefs are protected under the equality act
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If they already use this argument then what difference does refusing to serve Sanders make?
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Religious belief is a protected characteristic. There are very clear historical reasons for this. If you like I can give you a potted history of sectarian violence in Glasgow. If some people are too stupid to understand these reasons why not use your position to educate them?
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@PressSec has CHOSEN for herself who she wants to represent/work for/lie for; she has to take the consequences of that. I don't think any restaurant would willingly serve a member of the KKK so they have every right IMO to refuse to serve someone whose views are so extreme.Thanks. Twitter will use this to make your timeline better. UndoUndo
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Correct Julia again some of these Neanderthal bible thumpers dislike everyone ,
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Hello Felton - please reply re religion? If someone kicks out a Muslim because they were a Muslim, what would you say? Every single Muslim CHOOSES to be a Muslim. Come on, Felton. Your liberal whiny philosophy will fall apart as you would never condone kicking out a Muslim.
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