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Engineering Partner at @blockstack. Distributed systems hacker. UNIX enthusiast. Princeton PhD

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    1. Greg Slepak‏ @taoeffect 2 Mar 2016

      @jpgoldberg Can't you use HTTPS with a private key that's protected by root perms or something?

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    2. Jeffrey Goldberg‏ @jpgoldberg 2 Mar 2016
      Replying to @taoeffect

      @taoeffect Attacker must have root already to listen to loopback communications.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    3. Greg Slepak‏ @taoeffect 2 Mar 2016
      Replying to @jpgoldberg

      @jpgoldberg How about doing a DHE over whatever (HTTP or HTTPS)? That should fix it.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    4. Jeffrey Goldberg‏ @jpgoldberg 2 Mar 2016
      Replying to @taoeffect

      @taoeffect Unauthenticated DH is possible, but if we do this, we’d like to authenticate the channel so root can’t MitM.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    5. Greg Slepak‏ @taoeffect 2 Mar 2016
      Replying to @jpgoldberg

      @jpgoldberg 1. It would be quite involved to MITM unauthenticated DHE, it would be a big improvement over status quo

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    6. Greg Slepak‏ @taoeffect 2 Mar 2016
      Replying to @taoeffect

      @jpgoldberg 2. I'm not sure how authentication is possible when root is compromised, so there's no point.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    7. Greg Slepak‏ @taoeffect 2 Mar 2016
      Replying to @taoeffect

      @jpgoldberg @1Password So apparently any process can sniff the passwords (not just root) because you use high-numbered port?

      2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    8. Jeffrey Goldberg‏ @jpgoldberg 2 Mar 2016
      Replying to @taoeffect

      @taoeffect No. loopback always requires root to sniff. /c @1Password

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    9. Greg Slepak‏ @taoeffect 2 Mar 2016
      Replying to @jpgoldberg

      @jpgoldberg @1Password OK, thanks for making this clear. @JudeCNelson can take up his concerns with you directly from here on out.

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      Jude Nelson‏ @JudeCNelson 2 Mar 2016
      Replying to @taoeffect

      @taoeffect @jpgoldberg @1Password I'm more concerned about impersonating either the browser or 1pw. No privilege needed for high ports.

      2:07 PM - 2 Mar 2016
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        2. Jeffrey Goldberg‏ @jpgoldberg 2 Mar 2016
          Replying to @JudeCNelson

          @JudeCNelson Let me double check the necessity of root before I contradict you again. /c @taoeffect

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        3. Jude Nelson‏ @JudeCNelson 2 Mar 2016
          Replying to @jpgoldberg

          @jpgoldberg @taoeffect Privilege is needed to put the iface into promisc mode. But that's not necessary to impersonate if you use port >1024

          4 replies 0 retweets 1 like
        4. Jeffrey Goldberg‏ @jpgoldberg 2 Mar 2016
          Replying to @JudeCNelson

          @JudeCNelson tl;dr. We are (still) working on this. /c @taoeffect

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        5. Jude Nelson‏ @JudeCNelson 2 Mar 2016
          Replying to @jpgoldberg

          @jpgoldberg @taoeffect Gotcha; thanks for the links!

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        6. Jeffrey Goldberg‏ @jpgoldberg 2 Mar 2016
          Replying to @JudeCNelson

          @JudeCNelson This is why unauthenticated DH isn’t a solution. Mutual authentication is what we really need. /c @taoeffect

          2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
        7. Greg Slepak‏ @taoeffect 2 Mar 2016
          Replying to @jpgoldberg

          @jpgoldberg @JudeCNelson @muneeb err, ignore deleted tweet re tcpdump. It does require root, but not if you installed Wireshark apparently

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        8. Jude Nelson‏ @JudeCNelson 2 Mar 2016
          Replying to @taoeffect

          @taoeffect @jpgoldberg @muneeb Moreover, a setuid/setgid-root program can still be run by an unprivileged user.

          0 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
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        2. Jeffrey Goldberg‏ @jpgoldberg 2 Mar 2016
          Replying to @JudeCNelson

          @JudeCNelson I’m standing by root required unless you’ve lowered requirements. Perhaps when installing Wireshark? /c @taoeffect

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        3. Greg Slepak‏ @taoeffect 2 Mar 2016
          Replying to @jpgoldberg

          @jpgoldberg @JudeCNelson Root isn't required for the impersonation attack (launch b4 1pw, bind, wait for pw)

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        1. Jeffrey Goldberg‏ @jpgoldberg 2 Mar 2016
          Replying to @JudeCNelson

          @JudeCNelson Impersonation is the tricky part. We’ve got defeasible “tricks” and “hacks” for that. … /c @taoeffect

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