He's saying that element is there, but not anywhere near the level of an actual shamanic ecstatic dance. It's not merely trance-like or a flow state, it's a complete trance--Dionysian ritual madness. Current methods are more Apollonian than that on the scale.
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Replying to @MimeticValue @JordanTSack
Yeah that’s the thing... I’m not so sure. I get it. But having experienced the ecstasy and talked with others about it, it’s pretty much ritual madness but in a different form haha. I’m just not sure we are as Apollonian as we might think we are, if that makes sense?
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Do you think your experience is common? It doesn't seem to be true for the acting of most movie, TV show, or commercial scenes.
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Haha yeah, most actors are terrible. Sorry, mean. But it’s true. I think real artists, actors seeking real ‘truth’ in performance are at least seeking that depth. The problem comes when acting is a means to being famous. Then it’s superficial. Plus, when acting is just 1/2
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something done for a commodified media image then it loses that social and cultural depth. But it’s more common than you might think. 2/2
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Do you ever find yourself unable to snap out of your role at the end of a scene?
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Yeah. I was just gonna respond to that. It happens alllllll the time. One of the reasons Mamet/Macy developed their Practical Aesthetics approach. They thought it was psychologically damaging to get that immersed into a character/scene/etc. I will never forget the first time 1/
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I witnessed an actor get stuck in the character. Really traumatic role and for about 30 minutes after the scene, he was crying uncontrollably. Couldn’t get back ‘to reality’. Gnarly.
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I wouldn’t say that’s normal on commercial sets or anything. But it surely happens. Again, not all actors are this way, cause most are just trying to bang models. But performance theory and practice does allow for that depth. 3/3
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I think the Practical Aesthetic guideline thing was Girard's point. We have an implicit taboo of getting too into a role, and we see it as "fake," while primitive societies genuinely believed that they were possessed by gods during the trance, and they sought that experience.
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I’ve heard JBP make the point that the Greek “gods” in many cases were the deification of emotions that come to govern the body. So when we are driven by an emotion, they thought of this as being under the influence of a “god”.
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Replying to @JordanTSack @MimeticValue
Check out Julian Jaynes’ On the Origin of Consciousness and the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind and subsequent Jaynesian-inspired scholarship.
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