Personally I find zen at times hollow, whereas Taoism has a sort of appreciation of the grandeur I find refreshing. I think all 3 contain wonderful lessons.
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Zen is identical to Taoism. Except the parts where it pays lip service to Buddhism for political reasons.
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Would you put Suzuki and Laozi under the same umbrella?
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Shunryu. They're very similar, but they (Zen, Taoism) seem quite distinct to me.. maybe its just the tone of the koans they use. I definitely feel a different understanding between Lao/Shunryu. Where do you see zen paying lip service for political reasons? (Genuinely curious)
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Tao of Zen is a must read regarding the history of Zen and how it emerged from Taoism.https://twitter.com/MimeticValue/status/999118179434680320 …
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Mimetïc Value @MimeticValueReplying to @poxdotcom @Meaningness and 3 othersBuddhism was known as Neo-Taoism when it first came to China. Everyone thought that Bodhidharma was a student of Laozi, who disappeared to the West. See Tao of Zen and the Intro to certain translations of Zhuangzi and Tao Te Ching. https://amzn.to/2rZ5wYI1 reply 0 retweets 1 like -
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Then, starting in the late 1800s, Zen and other forms of Buddhism were "modernized", which meant combination with Christianity, Progressivism, and Secularism. This is also a must read on that topic:https://vividness.live/2011/06/16/the-making-of-buddhist-modernism/ …
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What people think of as Zen or Tao in the West, it's about as authentic as Chinese food in America. It's orange chicken, broccoli & beef, and other things that you wouldn't see in Asia and weren't practiced as such traditionally.
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But that's not to say the traditional way was better, not that there was even a singular tradition. There were a lot of weird superstitions and authoritarian control, and sectarian conflicts prior to the modernization as well. Things were very complicated.
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The Suzukis were Buddhist Modernists. Look at koans attributed to Ikkyu or Joshu. Also read Zhuangzi. Each has their own distinct styles, but they point to the same thing.
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Will check out. As a western reader, can't help but feel lots is lost in the translation of characters, as Japanese contains many embedded philosophical concepts. This is true in Spanish to English as well (to a lesser extent). Considering taking up Chinese, Japanese.
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Yes, for Tao Te Ching, you have to read multiple translations and interpretations to get what can out of it. Many translations contain obvious errors. This was my favorite English translation I've encountered so far:https://amzn.to/2OwxVyM
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Going to order this one. I have been disappointed with the one I have now.
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