If I’m recalling correctly, Bernie organizers got out-organized by Biden in the primary, seeing as Biden won overwhelmingly. So I’m not sure why anyone should care what they thinkhttps://twitter.com/ryangrim/status/1260980151912992769 …
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I’ve seen 1,000 people make this point, which I get feels clever but can you unpack it? Do you think the campaign that wins is therefore perfect and can’t improve and the campaign that lost did nothing right and can’t be learned from?
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The answer to the latter question is no, but these organizers "organized" on behalf of a failed campaign -- which failed despite its massive organizational resources. Why then are they touted as speaking from a place of authority on what it takes to succeed organizationally?
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They’re not monolithic and they certainly succeeded in some places and even Silver Medalists surely have some degree of expertise in their field.
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They do but it should at least be coupled with a thoroughgoing recognition that... they lost. And in this case, lost badly -- despite huge advantages. Which should presumably to some extent undermine their self-conception as leading authorities on the subject matter at hand.
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I suspect the recognition of their loss is already pretty thoroughgoing, but if the point of flagging that is to undermine their authority wouldn’t it be more to the point to show how they’re wrong? Or maybe I’m missing the point.
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I don't know, I wasn't particularly interested in hearing Hillary 2016 organizers congratulate themselves for what a fantastic organizational job they did.
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Don;t think you or anyone else was questioning their organizing abilities when
@BernieSanders was on 60 minutes as frontrunner headed into South Carolina--after winning Iowa, NH, and Nevada largely bc of their superior on-the-ground organizing...contrary 2 corp media propaganda2 replies 2 retweets 25 likes -
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it was MORE impressive that he won Iowa (yes by 6K votes), NH, and Nevada when facing at the high-end 11 other candidates. Also fairly impressive for a Democratic socialist to win California, come close in Texas; frankly, if Warren had dropped out after SC, Bernie wins MA..
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and several other states that her staying in pulled votes away from him. It doesn't mean his campaign was amazing and didn't make fatal flaws (it did). But simply deducing they have no organizing expertise or standing bc he lost is an un-nuanced lazy take MT. I covered most..
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of these states on the ground...his army of volunteers, door-knockers, phone-bankers, and the app helped him win the states he did and compete in states most hard lefties normally would get blown out in. I also have seen your tweets about Biden's strong chances in Nov...have you
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looked at recent polls? He's behind Trump among voters under 50 & not that far ahead of Trump voters above 50. Not to mention this is BEFORE Trump does what Bernie refused to...go for jugular. When the TPP/NAFTA Joe stuff starts (and all the ads on Biden's cognitive struggles)..
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it's not going to be pretty for Biden. His only real chance is if we reach a new Great Depression and a paper bag ends up being able to beat Trump. This is very possible so I don't rule him out completely. But his
#s now are worse than Hillary's at the same point in 2016.1 reply 4 retweets 18 likes - Show replies
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