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Designer/Programmer of Braid and The Witness. President, Thekla, Inc. Partner in IndieFund. Currently working on good new things.

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    1. Jonathan Blow‏ @Jonathan_Blow May 22

      Here is all the junk that a tiny indie pixel game has to do just to think about building a Linux executable: https://utopixel.games/en/blog/building-outer-wonders-for-linux/ … Windows used to be much better, but their modern spirit of embracing Linux seems to lead them to add similar problems to Windows.

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    2. Jonathan Simpson‏ @MagisterLudi11 May 22
      Replying to @Jonathan_Blow

      Hmm. The article is verbose, but the actual solution really isn't that complicated. They do take the commendable step of ensuring they are compatible with older versions of glibc, but in practice you can just build the release code on a slightly older distro.

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    3. mcboogerballz  📦‏ @mcboogerballz2 May 22
      Replying to @MagisterLudi11 @Jonathan_Blow

      couldn't they have just statically compiled libc and bundled the sdl libs with the game?

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    4. Jonathan Blow‏ @Jonathan_Blow May 22
      Replying to @mcboogerballz2 @MagisterLudi11

      libc also acts as the kernel interface so you cannot do this, unlike Windows where kernel interface and libc are separate. To ship portable software on Linux, you have to pretend libc is only the kernel interface and link a separate libc that is only libc and does not interact.

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    5. Gideon Ung‏ @Gidcheeen May 22
      Replying to @Jonathan_Blow @mcboogerballz2 @MagisterLudi11

      Syscalls are stable on Linux though. And more ergonomic than libc anyway. Zig doesn't link libc by default and implement their standard library in top of syscalls. I generally didn't see to much difference in effort removing libc from either windows or Linux.

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    6. Jonathan Blow‏ @Jonathan_Blow 24h24 hours ago
      Replying to @Gidcheeen @mcboogerballz2 @MagisterLudi11

      Yep, that is another way to do it. This really is something where Linux should bite the bullet and clean it up.

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      Jonathan Blow‏ @Jonathan_Blow 24h24 hours ago
      Replying to @Jonathan_Blow @Gidcheeen and

      I actually knew about the kernel compatibility thing, so this is an area where my mental explanations of Linux stuff are miscalibrated. I know people say you can’t statically link libc (unless made for it e.g. musl), I wonder what the reason is really.

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        2. shachaf‏ @shachaf 23h23 hours ago
          Replying to @Jonathan_Blow @Gidcheeen and

          Static linking is great if you can do it, but some system interfaces (e.g. OpenGL, authentication) are only provided as dynamic libraries, and they link against the system libc. So you're at least kind of stuck with it, for many uses.

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        3. mcboogerballz  📦‏ @mcboogerballz2 22h22 hours ago
          Replying to @shachaf @Jonathan_Blow and

          good point. sounds like a pain. dependencies are so annoying. i really prefer working on fixed platforms.

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