Okay but if you mean a purely functional version of the word “exploit” then the employee is also exploiting the employer, so, I still don’t get it.
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Replying to @Jonathan_Blow
I mean it in the Marxist sense; the worker produces value, a part of which the employer takes. Maximizing the amount that is kept is a logical consequence of the profit motive, particularly once everything else has been squeezed as far as it can be.
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Replying to @JonasKyratzes
Yeah, but "the worker produces value, a part of which the employer takes" is exactly what I am saying is conceptually incorrect.
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Replying to @Jonathan_Blow @JonasKyratzes
If workers can just produce value like that, then they would just sit around at home and produce value and keep most of it. Some people do manage to do this, though it's a small fraction of the population!
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Replying to @Jonathan_Blow @JonasKyratzes
workers don’t own the resources to produce value on their own. you have to have means of production... "workers" refers to a class of people who have no choice but to sell their labor
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Replying to @pumbertop @Jonathan_Blow
Correct. That's what defines a worker - their relationship to the means of production. (The people who can produce their own value, like artists, are technically not workers, though this gets very complicated under current conditions.)
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Replying to @JonasKyratzes @pumbertop
This idea of “the means of production” being like some big assembly line or something, and that this being kept out of peoples’ hands is the problem, is shown to be plainly false in the modern environment, where the “means of production” is, like, typing on a computer.
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Replying to @Jonathan_Blow @pumbertop
Not everyone owns a computer, or the software and other equipment that goes with it. Or, more crucially, the vast amounts of capital it takes to make something like a game. (But yes, a small indie company can be said to be petit-bourgeois.)
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Replying to @JonasKyratzes @pumbertop
Come on man, a low-end computer bought used is very very very cheap. If we are talking about Western nations, literally everyone can have one. Homeless in San Francisco have cell phones.
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Replying to @Jonathan_Blow @pumbertop
I personally know many developers who struggle to buy a new computer when it breaks. I've been there myself. You likely have trouble imagining this because you've never been in a position of starting out with nothing, or even debt. (I don't mean this as an attack.)
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Holy shit dude you have no idea what you are talking about here, I will tell you that.
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Replying to @Jonathan_Blow @pumbertop
Fair enough, I guess. But to think that the reality of struggling to survive economically can be discounted is certainly erroneous. A computer is a big expense for many people. Even a cheap one.
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