Jonathan Blow on Twitter: "I mean, I don’t care? That is a small potatoes question, and what is really necessary is for the adults in the room to get the kids to stop making such a mess.… https://t.co/3qIDrBXDM0"

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Gordon Brander‏ @gordonbrander May 13

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A thick platform can solve a lot of the heavy lifting problems in a standard-issue way. At best this relieves the next layer up (apps) of having to solve hard problems, and also allows the platform to solve collective action problems.

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Gordon Brander‏ @gordonbrander May 13

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Worth considering that the contending alternative architecture is likely to be Mighty. Basically, thick edge, thin cloud ~vs~ thin edge, thick cloud.

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John Manoochehri‏ @jmanooch May 13

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I am still thinking about it all. Had assumed @Suhail was going to get crowned with laurels on Mighty launch, and the pushback has made me think again a little bit about edge vs near-edge vs vs distributed vs central cloud. The application space I am focussed on is built design.

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John Manoochehri‏ @jmanooch May 13

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In built design, no one gives a fk about DOM and it's all a universe of workarounds. @threejs by @mrdoob is a v kindly workaround, but still a workaround (obviates a plugin), but it's not WASM, and it leaves a payload problem (where and how to serve the file that 3js renders).

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John Manoochehri‏ @jmanooch May 13

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@HyparAEC is working magic in this space, but IMO will rapidly come up against an execution speed problem bc cloud-serve and pure browser-render will just hang too long to be a smooth exp. IMO Mighty (ie shell on cloud exec) won't be the path here, though yes on other uses.

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Ian Keough‏ @ikeough May 13

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Our speed problems are self inflicted. We render gltfs of arbitrarily large models on the server, then download them in the client. There's no reason a fully browser based geometry app can't be lightening fast. Computers are faster than most people understand.

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Ian Keough‏ @ikeough May 13

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See @Jonathan_Blow's commentary on Mighty for reference.

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John Manoochehri‏ @jmanooch May 13

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yah I can't find his definitive take, but I think it's possibly aligned with what I feel here, which is that Might is optimtal for people that use browsers heavily for stuff that is for now stuck in a browser, like most webapps and workflows.https://twitter.com/Jonathan_Blow/status/1387101172230672389?s=20 …

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So what we are observing is, since the Web started, it has become so much slower that a supercomputer would no longer be able to run it? Does that make sense to anyone? https://twitter.com/Suhail/status/1387063023521595394 …

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Jonathan Blow‏ @Jonathan_Blow May 13

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Not remotely.https://mobile.twitter.com/Jonathan_Blow/status/1387094702139142145 …

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Very hard to describe how embarrassing this is for everyone involved in the Web and, sort of, software more generally. https://mobile.twitter.com/Suhail/status/1387063023521595394 …

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John Manoochehri‏ @jmanooch May 13

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Yeah I read that but it's not exactly clear what the upshot is? Should no-one use it? Will it get used widely? Is it likely to be useful for some use cases but not others? All of those are possible even it's v embarassing per se?

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Jonathan Blow‏ @Jonathan_Blow May 13

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I mean, I don’t care? That is a small potatoes question, and what is really necessary is for the adults in the room to get the kids to stop making such a mess.

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