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Designer/Programmer of Braid and The Witness. President, Thekla, Inc. Partner in IndieFund. Currently working on good new things.

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    1. Jonas Kyratzes, pjf‏ @JonasKyratzes May 13

      The problem with every single discussion of crunch in games is that it's treated as a moral issue or an issue of representation, when it is a class issue, an issue of power. Exploitation isn't a moral fault of individual bad bosses, it's the foundation of how the economy works.pic.twitter.com/C4jrmHO9hB

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    2. Jonas Kyratzes, pjf‏ @JonasKyratzes May 13

      Are some companies worse than others? Yes. But the reason all this exists is because of profit. More crunch = more profit, the end. Even if that's not true in the long term, capitalism doesn't (cannot) optimize for long-term outcomes.

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    3. Jonathan Blow‏ @Jonathan_Blow May 13
      Replying to @JonasKyratzes

      Whereas exploitation does happen, profit != exploitation. The mistaken idea that these are the same thing makes it impossible to have fruitful reality-based discussions. The labor theory of value very obviously is false.

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    4. Jonas Kyratzes, pjf‏ @JonasKyratzes May 13
      Replying to @Jonathan_Blow

      There we shall have to agree to disagree.

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    5. Jonathan Blow‏ @Jonathan_Blow May 13
      Replying to @JonasKyratzes

      Sure, and Twitter is also not a good place to have real discussions anyway. But, the problem is, this idea is so core to what you want people to believe, that not resolving it makes it impossible to proceed to higher-level ideas.

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    6. Jonas Kyratzes, pjf‏ @JonasKyratzes May 13
      Replying to @Jonathan_Blow

      Correct, the basics of what I advocate are frustratingly hard to communicate in this medium, doubly so when there are many who use similar language to opposite ends (for example, using "exploitation" in moral terms).

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      Jonathan Blow‏ @Jonathan_Blow May 13
      Replying to @JonasKyratzes

      Okay but if you mean a purely functional version of the word “exploit” then the employee is also exploiting the employer, so, I still don’t get it.

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        2. Jonas Kyratzes, pjf‏ @JonasKyratzes May 13
          Replying to @Jonathan_Blow

          I mean it in the Marxist sense; the worker produces value, a part of which the employer takes. Maximizing the amount that is kept is a logical consequence of the profit motive, particularly once everything else has been squeezed as far as it can be.

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        3. Jonathan Blow‏ @Jonathan_Blow May 13
          Replying to @JonasKyratzes

          Yeah, but "the worker produces value, a part of which the employer takes" is exactly what I am saying is conceptually incorrect.

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        1. Jonas Kyratzes, pjf‏ @JonasKyratzes May 13
          Replying to @Jonathan_Blow

          This matters in these discussions re: crunch etc. because it's about labour, about power and resources, not about who is nice and fair and who isn't. Whereas often it's depicted as a personal/moral issue, or one of "explaining" the problem.

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