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Designer/Programmer of Braid and The Witness. President, Thekla, Inc. Partner in IndieFund. Currently working on good new things.

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    1. Stefan Reinalter‏ @molecularmusing May 4

      Stefan Reinalter Retweeted Rui Ueyama

      Imagine the kind of programmer productivity we could get if we could all use tools such as this. I'm imagining @Jonathan_Blow 's Jai as compiler, mold as linker, and Live++ in between. With a bit more help on the C++ side, you could have fully generic sub-second iteration times.https://twitter.com/rui314/status/1389537043521277956 …

      Stefan Reinalter added,

      Rui Ueyama @rui314
      mold linker v0.1 has been released! https://github.com/rui314/mold/releases/tag/v0.1 …
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    2. Andrew Haining ☭ ☸️ ☮️‏ @1st_C_Lord May 5
      Replying to @molecularmusing @Jonathan_Blow

      I was just thinking about this while waiting for unreal to recompile, would it be even possible to get live++ and mold to work together given mold doesn't do an incremental link, wouldn't that mean you'd have to fix up the entire executable?

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    3. Stefan Reinalter‏ @molecularmusing May 5
      Replying to @1st_C_Lord @Jonathan_Blow

      Live++ doesn't need (or do) incremental links. Instead, it massages all changed .obj files so that they link even though there are unresolved symbols in it. The linker is used to produce the DLL and PDB. Live++ then links the DLL against existing symbols, patching relocations.

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    4. Stefan Reinalter‏ @molecularmusing May 5
      Replying to @molecularmusing @1st_C_Lord @Jonathan_Blow

      Live++ is pretty much also a linker that can link "partial" DLLs against any existing module, it just invokes an ordinary linker for producing a DLL and PDB, and possibly bringing in needed .objs from archives.

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    5. Stefan Reinalter‏ @molecularmusing May 5
      Replying to @molecularmusing @1st_C_Lord @Jonathan_Blow

      So mold as a daemon would be *perfect* in that case.

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      Jonathan Blow‏ @Jonathan_Blow May 5
      Replying to @molecularmusing @1st_C_Lord

      But I mean, this is just an insane amount of complexity for something that should be trivial.

      8:01 AM - 5 May 2021
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        2. Andrew Haining ☭ ☸️ ☮️‏ @1st_C_Lord May 5
          Replying to @Jonathan_Blow @molecularmusing

          i had assumed that part of it was trivial because you can just mark the symbols as weak right? The linker doesn't actually care if it finds all the symbols? I assumed patching the relocations was the hard part and using incremental link would constrain the problem

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        3. Stefan Reinalter‏ @molecularmusing May 5
          Replying to @1st_C_Lord @Jonathan_Blow

          Marking symbols as weak is not enough, otherwise you'd get duplicates. At the very least, those take up unnecessary space in every patch, but they also would mess with debugger symbols.

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        2. Stefan Reinalter‏ @molecularmusing May 5
          Replying to @Jonathan_Blow @1st_C_Lord

          It could be trivial, but unfortunately isn't with the current tools we have. If every symbol access went through a PLT or GOT, hot-reloading would be much easier. Or were you thinking about something else? Would love to hear your take on that.

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        3. Jonathan Blow‏ @Jonathan_Blow May 5
          Replying to @molecularmusing @1st_C_Lord

          Symbol lookup is just matching a name to a value. This is something we know how to make computers do very fast. Those symbols are a small amount of data, e.g. the symbol for a function is much smaller than the code in almost all cases, and requires no computation whereas the code

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        1. Nikita Krupitskas‏ @krupitskas May 5
          Replying to @Jonathan_Blow @molecularmusing @1st_C_Lord

          This was my first though actually. Imagine to combine them and fix bugs.

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