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Designer/Programmer of Braid and The Witness. President, Thekla, Inc. Partner in IndieFund. Currently working on good new things.

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    1. Jonathan Blow‏ @Jonathan_Blow Apr 29
      Replying to @Jonathan_Blow @RihoKroll and

      have to engage in endless hacks that almost but don't quite solve the problem, like everyone does today.

      1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
    2. Riho Kroll‏ @RihoKroll Apr 29
      Replying to @Jonathan_Blow @mattgperry and

      Eh, that'd just make it harder to make apps and require more experience to make something good. I think it's too hard to make good apps as it is, even with a perfect understanding of the platform. I'd want it be easier to make good experiences.

      3 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    3. Riho Kroll‏ @RihoKroll Apr 29
      Replying to @RihoKroll @Jonathan_Blow and

      Also the only good part (as far as I'm concerned) of DOM, is that it's a common vocabulary between a lot of people and therefore standards can be enforced and promoted. If everyone is flying a custom display tree impl. it'll be even harder to do stuff like screen readers, for ex.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    4. Riho Kroll‏ @RihoKroll Apr 29
      Replying to @RihoKroll @Jonathan_Blow and

      Which people neglect as it is, even with the standards. But at the very least people are forced to use image tags for images for example (to an extent). Code editors can even warn of missing alt descriptions on images.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    5. Jonathan Blow‏ @Jonathan_Blow Apr 29
      Replying to @RihoKroll @mattgperry and

      That's fine, I am not going to argue with you about this any more. I was under the impression that you actually were interested in improving the situation, but you seem to have this mindset that the current situation is the best possible way to do what we have,

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    6. Jonathan Blow‏ @Jonathan_Blow Apr 29
      Replying to @Jonathan_Blow @RihoKroll and

      and that anything else is not possibly better, because tautologically that's how it is. If you want to live in the ruins of the precursor civilization, go ahead and do that, but that is not my jam.

      1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
    7. Riho Kroll‏ @RihoKroll Apr 29
      Replying to @Jonathan_Blow @mattgperry and

      I see why you'd get that impression, but nothing could be further from the truth. I'm only trying to offer insight into why the current situation is what it is, and why it isn't because all web devs are imbeciles that don't know anything about computers.

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    8. Jonathan Blow‏ @Jonathan_Blow Apr 29
      Replying to @RihoKroll @mattgperry and

      There are an infinite number of ways to implement the set of functionality that we want. What we have now is does not supply that functionality particularly well, as it often breaks and is very slow and it is actually very hard to make things, as evidenced by the number

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    9. Jonathan Blow‏ @Jonathan_Blow Apr 29
      Replying to @Jonathan_Blow @RihoKroll and

      of engineers employed at places like Twitter. It should be clear that it is possible to get the functionality that we want in a better way. But you are arguing that the current infrastructure is required to get the current functionality. This makes no sense to me and, besides,

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    10. Jonathan Blow‏ @Jonathan_Blow Apr 29
      Replying to @Jonathan_Blow @RihoKroll and

      is inherently defeatist. In my experience it is not worth talking to people with defeatist attitudes, instead I just go do productive things and then I win the argument by making the good thing while they are sitting around on their ass. In this case that won't happen since

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      Jonathan Blow‏ @Jonathan_Blow Apr 29
      Replying to @Jonathan_Blow @RihoKroll and

      I am way too busy with said other things to take on a Web project. It's just, that is the tactic I have learned for cases like this.

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        2. Riho Kroll‏ @RihoKroll Apr 29
          Replying to @Jonathan_Blow @mattgperry and

          I think there's misunderstanding here, I'm not trying to say the current situation is required or necessary. I'm saying right now it's the best we've got, flawed as it is, and that blaming the users of the tool for its flaws is in this case misdirected (unless clearly misused).

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        3. Riho Kroll‏ @RihoKroll Apr 29
          Replying to @RihoKroll @Jonathan_Blow and

          From my perspective, if you want to talk about how to actually improve the situation, I've got plenty of ideas and plans, but that won't fit in an already long twitter thread. I can tell you all about it over a beer some day.

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        1. Riho Kroll‏ @RihoKroll Apr 29
          Replying to @Jonathan_Blow @mattgperry and

          That's ok. I agree with a lot what you've said here and in the past, I'd just prefer this was directed at folks who have a direct way of influencing it. Like Google, Mozilla, etc. You have a lot of knowledge and a platform to share it, and I think it would have more impact.

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