I mean for the sake of the argument, lets forget about compatibility for a moment, say through some miracle this new browser just works, or at least with most modern pages. You still have to convince people to switch. "It's better" doesn't work, ask Mozilla.
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Replying to @RihoKroll @mattgperry and
Only if the switch is discontinuous. It is actually not that hard, given WASM etc, to envision a series of transformations that, for example, removes JS from the browser entirely. It only requires will.
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Replying to @Jonathan_Blow @RihoKroll and
Once you remove JS from the browser, now the Web is no longer based on an error-prone slow programming language, so it's a lot more natural for people to choose higher-quality languages (as opposed to hacks on top of JS like TypeScript).
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Replying to @Jonathan_Blow @RihoKroll and
Then once you have real programming languages, why do you have all this DOM stuff and wtf is CSS for anyway, just let peoples' code lay out the text, and get rid of all that junk.
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Replying to @Jonathan_Blow @RihoKroll and
There will of course be common libraries for doing this, so that people don't have to write it themselves. But the difference is, when it's just user-level code doing the layout, you have the power to change it. When it is built into the browser, you do not, and instead
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Replying to @Jonathan_Blow @RihoKroll and
have to engage in endless hacks that almost but don't quite solve the problem, like everyone does today.
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Replying to @Jonathan_Blow @mattgperry and
Eh, that'd just make it harder to make apps and require more experience to make something good. I think it's too hard to make good apps as it is, even with a perfect understanding of the platform. I'd want it be easier to make good experiences.
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Replying to @RihoKroll @Jonathan_Blow and
Also the only good part (as far as I'm concerned) of DOM, is that it's a common vocabulary between a lot of people and therefore standards can be enforced and promoted. If everyone is flying a custom display tree impl. it'll be even harder to do stuff like screen readers, for ex.
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Replying to @RihoKroll @Jonathan_Blow and
Which people neglect as it is, even with the standards. But at the very least people are forced to use image tags for images for example (to an extent). Code editors can even warn of missing alt descriptions on images.
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Replying to @RihoKroll @mattgperry and
That's fine, I am not going to argue with you about this any more. I was under the impression that you actually were interested in improving the situation, but you seem to have this mindset that the current situation is the best possible way to do what we have,
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and that anything else is not possibly better, because tautologically that's how it is. If you want to live in the ruins of the precursor civilization, go ahead and do that, but that is not my jam.
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