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Designer/Programmer of Braid and The Witness. President, Thekla, Inc. Partner in IndieFund. Currently working on good new things.

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    1. Matt Perry‏ @mattgperry Apr 29
      Replying to @brothir @Jonathan_Blow and

      Really? What was the point that Jonathan made that really swung it for you?

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    2. Lars Thomas Bremnes‏ @brothir Apr 29
      Replying to @mattgperry @Jonathan_Blow and

      Riho insinuated that since some things are more complex than others, bad performance is inevitable, or even if you optimize something slow frameworks are the default, or something. Argument by vague trend, noncentral. J asked straightforward questions that weren't really answered

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    3. Matt Perry‏ @mattgperry Apr 29
      Replying to @brothir @Jonathan_Blow and

      He rightfully pointed out that the web is intrinsically more complex than one-size-fits-one, non-accessible, machine-opaque game UIs. “J” 😂 just chewed his lip on “I don’t get why that’s hard” which translated “I don’t get it”

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    4. Matt Perry‏ @mattgperry Apr 29
      Replying to @mattgperry @brothir and

      Clearly never read the spec, knows nothing about browsers, ignorant. Which isn’t generally a position I prefer to condescend from

      3 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    5. Jonathan Blow‏ @Jonathan_Blow Apr 29
      Replying to @mattgperry @brothir and

      You haven't understood what I am saying. "The spec" as it currently exists is a fundamentally bad idea about how to solve this class of problem. The results are obviously terrible. People should observe and learn from this, but somehow don't.

      2 replies 0 retweets 7 likes
    6. Riho Kroll‏ @RihoKroll Apr 29
      Replying to @Jonathan_Blow @mattgperry and

      That's not really true though. I mean as I said before, I'd rather use something better and faster. What do you expect the web dev community to do? Write a different browser? How's that gonna work? Nobody wants to live with legacy APIs and slow code.

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    7. Jonathan Blow‏ @Jonathan_Blow Apr 29
      Replying to @RihoKroll @mattgperry and

      The job of engineers is to solve problems. If those problems don't get solved, it is because people didn't solve them.

      1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
    8. Riho Kroll‏ @RihoKroll Apr 29
      Replying to @Jonathan_Blow @mattgperry and

      It's not an engineering problem. You can write an amazing new browser tomorrow, but if it doesn't display 90% of the web pages properly, and doesn't handle accessibility and different device types/screens, nobody will keep using it. How do you get people to adopt that?

      2 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
    9. Riho Kroll‏ @RihoKroll Apr 29
      Replying to @RihoKroll @Jonathan_Blow and

      I mean for the sake of the argument, lets forget about compatibility for a moment, say through some miracle this new browser just works, or at least with most modern pages. You still have to convince people to switch. "It's better" doesn't work, ask Mozilla.

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    10. Jonathan Blow‏ @Jonathan_Blow Apr 29
      Replying to @RihoKroll @mattgperry and

      Only if the switch is discontinuous. It is actually not that hard, given WASM etc, to envision a series of transformations that, for example, removes JS from the browser entirely. It only requires will.

      1 reply 0 retweets 5 likes
      Jonathan Blow‏ @Jonathan_Blow Apr 29
      Replying to @Jonathan_Blow @RihoKroll and

      Once you remove JS from the browser, now the Web is no longer based on an error-prone slow programming language, so it's a lot more natural for people to choose higher-quality languages (as opposed to hacks on top of JS like TypeScript).

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        2. Jonathan Blow‏ @Jonathan_Blow Apr 29
          Replying to @Jonathan_Blow @RihoKroll and

          Then once you have real programming languages, why do you have all this DOM stuff and wtf is CSS for anyway, just let peoples' code lay out the text, and get rid of all that junk.

          2 replies 0 retweets 4 likes
        3. Jonathan Blow‏ @Jonathan_Blow Apr 29
          Replying to @Jonathan_Blow @RihoKroll and

          There will of course be common libraries for doing this, so that people don't have to write it themselves. But the difference is, when it's just user-level code doing the layout, you have the power to change it. When it is built into the browser, you do not, and instead

          1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
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        2. Σλodiquas‏ @eXodiquas Apr 29
          Replying to @Jonathan_Blow @RihoKroll and

          I dont think that's the only thing that matters. Even if everything on the web would be exactly the same but somehow compiled to c++, the complete spec would still remain a nightmare.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        3. Jonathan Blow‏ @Jonathan_Blow Apr 29
          Replying to @eXodiquas @RihoKroll and

          I am talking about removing large portions of the spec from existence.

          0 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
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