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Jonathan Blow

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Designer/Programmer of Braid and The Witness. President, Thekla, Inc. Partner in IndieFund. Currently working on good new things.

San Francisco
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    1. Pål Brønlund‏ @bronlund Apr 28
      Replying to @Jonathan_Blow

      But the tides are already turning and more and more web developers are starting to understand that the whole Node thing was a big mistake. Look out for Elixir based sites pushing server rendered content over websockets.

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
    2. Jonathan Blow‏ @Jonathan_Blow Apr 28
      Replying to @bronlund

      Server-side rendering is an *absurd* solution that depends on a severe misunderstanding of the problem in order to seem to make any sense at all.

      6 replies 0 retweets 7 likes
    3. Pål Brønlund‏ @bronlund Apr 28
      Replying to @Jonathan_Blow

      You would want to render those fancy templates on the server and just push plain HTML to the client.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    4. Jonathan Blow‏ @Jonathan_Blow Apr 28
      Replying to @bronlund

      Computers, how do they work???

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    5. Pål Brønlund‏ @bronlund Apr 28
      Replying to @Jonathan_Blow

      They hide the secret stuff :D

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    6. Jonathan Blow‏ @Jonathan_Blow Apr 28
      Replying to @bronlund

      Someday you guys will stop making the Web worse, but maybe it won't happen until everything completely collapses, I guess.

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    7. Pål Brønlund‏ @bronlund Apr 28
      Replying to @Jonathan_Blow

      I wonder how you would make Twitter without resolving all the templates on the server. Enlighten me :)

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    8. Jonathan Blow‏ @Jonathan_Blow Apr 28
      Replying to @bronlund

      You are conflating many things that are simultaneously arbitrary and confused. What “templates” do you think are actually necessary, as opposed to being an arbitrary overcomplex way of doing things? Twitter is a relatively trivial application from a UI perspective.

      4 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
    9. Pål Brønlund‏ @bronlund Apr 28
      Replying to @Jonathan_Blow

      I believe that it is the responsibility of the site owners to ensure that the client do as little work as possible. This simple Twitter page I'm currently at, which has about 3KB worth of text, has a memory footprint above 100MB. This is just wrong.

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    10. Jonathan Blow‏ @Jonathan_Blow Apr 28
      Replying to @bronlund

      This is completely backwards. The point of a distributed system is to distribute work so the cost isn’t concentrated unrealistically in a central point. And you want the visuals generated on the client so they can be maximally responsive at e.g. 120Hz with subtle color changes

      3 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
      Jonathan Blow‏ @Jonathan_Blow Apr 28
      Replying to @Jonathan_Blow @bronlund

      over time and so forth. Yes it’s not a good idea to have the browser be an OS with JS and HTML the systems languages. But removing those solves the problem, and this is easy to see for anyone who understands performance. Your proposed solution is anti-performance and

      2:26 PM - 28 Apr 2021
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        2. Jonathan Blow‏ @Jonathan_Blow Apr 28
          Replying to @Jonathan_Blow @bronlund

          anti-quality ... in your world running a web site is tremendously expensive and still sucks for people on low-bandwidth connections because it takes a long time and a lot of bandwidth to load anything by and I guess they get blurry text or something?

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        3. Jonathan Blow‏ @Jonathan_Blow Apr 28
          Replying to @Jonathan_Blow @bronlund

          None of this is necessary. We can cut operating costs tremendously from what they are today, and have clients run at much higher performance, and it would be very very easy actually.

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