Jonathan Blow on Twitter: "This is completely backwards. The point of a distributed system is to distribute work so the cost isn’t concentrated unrealistically in a central point. And you want the visuals generated on the client so they can be maximally responsive at e.g. 120Hz with subtle color changes… https://t.co/NupZUPnbmR"

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Jonathan Blow‏ @Jonathan_Blow Apr 27

Jonathan Blow Retweeted Suhail

So what we are observing is, since the Web started, it has become so much slower that a supercomputer would no longer be able to run it? Does that make sense to anyone?https://twitter.com/Suhail/status/1387063023521595394 …

Jonathan Blow added,

SuhailVerified account @Suhail

1/ Today we're unveiling Mighty: a faster browser that is entirely streamed from a powerful computer in the cloud. Demo in the next tweet

New website: https://mightyapp.com

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Pål Brønlund‏ @bronlund Apr 28

Replying to @Jonathan_Blow

But the tides are already turning and more and more web developers are starting to understand that the whole Node thing was a big mistake. Look out for Elixir based sites pushing server rendered content over websockets.

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Jonathan Blow‏ @Jonathan_Blow Apr 28

Replying to @bronlund

Server-side rendering is an *absurd* solution that depends on a severe misunderstanding of the problem in order to seem to make any sense at all.

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Pål Brønlund‏ @bronlund Apr 28

Replying to @Jonathan_Blow

You would want to render those fancy templates on the server and just push plain HTML to the client.

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Jonathan Blow‏ @Jonathan_Blow Apr 28

Replying to @bronlund

Computers, how do they work???

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Pål Brønlund‏ @bronlund Apr 28

Replying to @Jonathan_Blow

They hide the secret stuff :D

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Jonathan Blow‏ @Jonathan_Blow Apr 28

Replying to @bronlund

Someday you guys will stop making the Web worse, but maybe it won't happen until everything completely collapses, I guess.

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Pål Brønlund‏ @bronlund Apr 28

Replying to @Jonathan_Blow

I wonder how you would make Twitter without resolving all the templates on the server. Enlighten me :)

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Jonathan Blow‏ @Jonathan_Blow Apr 28

Replying to @bronlund

You are conflating many things that are simultaneously arbitrary and confused. What “templates” do you think are actually necessary, as opposed to being an arbitrary overcomplex way of doing things? Twitter is a relatively trivial application from a UI perspective.

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Pål Brønlund‏ @bronlund Apr 28

Replying to @Jonathan_Blow

I believe that it is the responsibility of the site owners to ensure that the client do as little work as possible. This simple Twitter page I'm currently at, which has about 3KB worth of text, has a memory footprint above 100MB. This is just wrong.

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Jonathan Blow‏ @Jonathan_Blow Apr 28

Replying to @bronlund

This is completely backwards. The point of a distributed system is to distribute work so the cost isn’t concentrated unrealistically in a central point. And you want the visuals generated on the client so they can be maximally responsive at e.g. 120Hz with subtle color changes

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1. Pål Brønlund‏ @bronlund Apr 28
  Replying to @Jonathan_Blow
  
  I may have gotten my point across poorly. I don't mean that the server should do the paint, I just mean that it shouldn't be necessary for the browser to have to download multiple megabytes of JavaScript just to be able to render the page in the first place.
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1. Pål Brønlund‏ @bronlund Apr 28
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  And yes, the clients today are pretty powerful, but still shouldn't be doing the same thing on a million clients which could have been done better on a single server.
  Thanks. Twitter will use this to make your timeline better. Undo
  
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