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    1. Julia Galef‏Verified account @juliagalef Mar 25

      1/ There's something that bugs me about the "virtue signaling" discourse, which goes like this GROUP A: "Ugh, those people are virtue signaling -- they're just saying that stuff to seem like good people" GROUP B: "What's wrong with wanting to show you're a good person??"

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    2. Julia Galef‏Verified account @juliagalef Mar 25

      2/ And what bugs me is that Group B seems to be ignoring the key premise of Group A's critique - that the virtue-signalers *don't really believe* the stuff they're saying. Group A may be wrong about that (I often think they are), but still, that's the crux of their complaint.

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    3. Julia Galef‏Verified account @juliagalef Mar 25

      3/ Group B's response seems to be defending people who say things they truly believe, out of a motivation to look good (e.g., decrying injustices) But Group A's complaint was about people who say bullshit they don't really believe, out of a motivation to look good.

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    4. Julia Galef‏Verified account @juliagalef Mar 25

      EDIT: I'm no longer confident in my original read on what is meant by "virtue signaling" / when it is used

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    5. Jonathan Blow‏ @Jonathan_Blow Mar 25
      Replying to @juliagalef

      It's confusing because both are true. Some people use "virtue signaling" to mean insincere expression, but other people have the idea that human beings evolved to virtue signal and you wouldn't know if you are doing it. (The best way to convince someone of something

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      Jonathan Blow‏ @Jonathan_Blow Mar 25
      Replying to @Jonathan_Blow @juliagalef

      is to believe it yourself, even if there are deep and weird and highly utilitarian ulterior motives to why you are believing the thing).

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        2. Jonathan Blow‏ @Jonathan_Blow Mar 25
          Replying to @Jonathan_Blow @juliagalef

          That I have seen, there hasn't been any clear attempt on the internet to disambiguate these two understandings of v.s. Most people use the first one, by volume, but also, most argumentation is low quality, by volume.

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        3. Jonathan 👣 🚲‏ @jonathanavt Mar 25
          Replying to @Jonathan_Blow @juliagalef

          I would argue that it’s still a problem if people do it unknowingly, although correcting it would obviously take a different approach.

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        2. Hamish Todd‏ @hamish_todd Mar 25
          Replying to @Jonathan_Blow @juliagalef

          Yes, I'd say people are arbitrarily good at making themselves indistinguishable from someone who "really does believe it" (see also Dennett), so I would say it doesn't particularly matter if somebody doesn't believe something they're saying.

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        3. Hamish Todd‏ @hamish_todd Mar 25
          Replying to @hamish_todd @Jonathan_Blow @juliagalef

          That's unless you can get them to admit they don't believe it, or if you're interested in whether, or how, they might act upon this belief they don't really have

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