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Designer/Programmer of Braid and The Witness. President, Thekla, Inc. Partner in IndieFund. Currently working on good new things.

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    1. Jonathan Blow‏ @Jonathan_Blow Feb 23
      Replying to @drrosat

      Because most of the stuff taught in those classes is irrelevant to making a good compiler. A large part of it is just general good software engineering, which most modern-day professors don't really know about, because they don't have time to program enough.

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    2. Jonathan Blow‏ @Jonathan_Blow Feb 23
      Replying to @Jonathan_Blow @drrosat

      To be fair, the graduate-level class that I took was much better than the undergrad class; and, both provided at least some useful background knowledge. But still, I would not recommend people to use such classes as their primary reference in how to make a compiler.

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    3. Casey Muratori‏ @cmuratori Feb 23
      Replying to @Jonathan_Blow @drrosat

      But also, that was a graduate class from the 90s, before things went Full OOP at universities. A graduate class today might well do way more harm than good.

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    4. Donald Mitchell‏ @DonaldM38768041 Feb 23
      Replying to @cmuratori @Jonathan_Blow @drrosat

      Everything seems to reach a peak of excellence and then decline into mediocrity. It certainly feels like we are past peak software and way past peak academia.

      2 replies 3 retweets 33 likes
    5. Hamish Todd‏ @hamish_todd Feb 23
      Replying to @DonaldM38768041 @cmuratori and

      What other examples do you have in mind? Throughout history most people think they have passed peaks.

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    6. Jonathan Blow‏ @Jonathan_Blow Feb 23
      Replying to @hamish_todd @DonaldM38768041 and

      Physics Ability to Build Things Ability to Coordinate on Large Projects Desire to Do Hard Things

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    7. Hamish Todd‏ @hamish_todd Feb 23
      Replying to @Jonathan_Blow @DonaldM38768041 and

      To pick the building example, I'd say there have been multiple highpoints for building throughout history: Roman temples, medieval cathedrales, New York Skyline. I wouldn't say we're at a peak now, but the model "peak followed by monotonic decrease" doesn't apply

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    8. Hamish Todd‏ @hamish_todd Feb 23
      Replying to @hamish_todd @Jonathan_Blow and

      Do you mean, in the case of the other stuff, that the US has peaked on these?

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    9. Hamish Todd‏ @hamish_todd Feb 23
      Replying to @hamish_todd @Jonathan_Blow and

      In the case of CS I'm very sympathetic to the argument in Preventing The Collapse of Civilization by the way, especially the relevant part where you say that it's important to solidify current infrastructure or else decay will be awful. But the other stuff I'm not so sure about.

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    10. Jonathan Blow‏ @Jonathan_Blow Feb 23
      Replying to @hamish_todd @DonaldM38768041 and

      I am speaking of the US primarily. I don't know how things are in your neck of the woods, but from peripheral experience it doesn't seem that much better.

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      Jonathan Blow‏ @Jonathan_Blow Feb 23
      Replying to @Jonathan_Blow @hamish_todd and

      Re CS, the better at programming I get, the more I can see that there have been at least 2 generations of people who are mostly cargo-culting and kinda running off inertia, with very little connection to the mindsets and behaviors of the people who came up with these ideas.

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        1. Hamish Todd‏ @hamish_todd Feb 23
          Replying to @Jonathan_Blow @DonaldM38768041 and

          Yes, that's true. I was about to write "unlike those other things, you can't be talking about CS as a US phenomenon". But it's certainly hard to disentangle CS culture from the fact that it's centred in the US.

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        1. Hamish Todd‏ @hamish_todd Feb 23
          Replying to @Jonathan_Blow @DonaldM38768041 and

          I don't see much resemblence between what's happened with physics (which isn't just about the US) and what's happened with CS though.

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