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Game designer of Braid and The Witness. Partner in IndieFund.

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    1. Jonathan Blow‏ @Jonathan_Blow Jul 25
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      Only a tiny minority of professional programmers have a clear picture in their minds of how fast modern computers are. 99.9% have next to no idea. How does this affect software that is even conceived? (Ignoring, for a moment, what is actually built, which we know is very slow).

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    2. Jonathan Blow‏ @Jonathan_Blow Jul 25
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      How big of a problem is it that we have this crucial craft, on which we are knowingly staking the future, and almost none of its practitioners understand the fundamental tool they are using?

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    3. Jonathan Blow‏ @Jonathan_Blow Jul 25
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      (For the record, I don’t place myself in the top tier re understanding of speed or anything else. I am somewhere in the middle of that gradient between the 99.9% and the People Who Really Know.)

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    4. Jonathan Blow‏ @Jonathan_Blow Jul 25
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      We see all this bad rhetoric claiming “system X is only 2x slower than native code therefore it’s fast”... but one must ignore rationalizations and look at the actual output, which is several orders of magnitude inefficient. Few people are willing to put 2 and 2 together here.

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    5. Jonathan Blow‏ @Jonathan_Blow Jul 25
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      The most common objection to these points is "we write slow software because it lets us make things faster and more easily". I agree this is the common belief, but it's wrong. If development is so much easier, why is productivity approaching 0 over time?

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    6. Jonathan Blow‏ @Jonathan_Blow Jul 25
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      Replies seem to be rat-holing on the old well-understood concept that software is slow. Yeah, we know, I have said that many times (and said to ignore that this time). What I am highlighting here is a deeper issue: programmers don't really know what computers are any more.

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    7. Jonathan Blow‏ @Jonathan_Blow Jul 25
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      Speed is one dimension of understanding that's lacking; the picture of speed in programmers' heads is 2-4 orders of magnitude too slow. It's easy to see and understand this, which is why I brought it up. But it's not the only dimension of missing understanding.

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      To make the speed point again, for an attempt at clarity: Programmers have a picture of their computer, in their minds, that they use to figure out what to do. For 99.9%+, that picture is inaccurate: the imagined computer is 100x-1000x slower than the real computer.

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        1. Jonathan Blow‏ @Jonathan_Blow Jul 25
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          This will result in software that's too slow, obviously. But it also affects what one thinks is possible, what one dares to imagine to do. That is the more important part. Humans are very example-based, and if our examples are wrong, where they lead us will be wrong too.

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        2. fabs();‏ @raspofabs Jul 25
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          Definitely. I've met graduates and veterans who don't get how powerful machines are these days. Bit show them example code, they claim its a toy problem. It's like boids is a joke to them because they won't believe their code isn't really that complex. It's what I tried to expl..

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        3. fabs();‏ @raspofabs Jul 25
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          to explain in the data-oriented design book. 'your problems aren't really that complex, you've just made them complex', and I think I got through to a few. I still hold its that so few are taught to really think about the data model.

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        2. Brian Will‏ @brianwill Jul 25
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          Seems backwards. Programmers are supremely optimistic about: a) the necessity and quality of many abstraction layers b) the brute force capacity of modern hardware to handle heavy abstractions Whatever they think hardware capable of, they can't imagine another way to code.

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        3. AMDG‏ @AMDG56271866 Jul 26
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          Let's not forget: c) the principle of premature optimization being the root of all evil. Programmers are discouraged from optimization in schools today, not encouraged; and the motivations to do so no longer exist because of a) and b). Complacency is the root of all evil.

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        1. Dan Palmer‏ @danpalmer Jul 25
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          Just to clarify, I fully agree with you about the speed of computers and software being slow. My disagreement is over engineers at companies like Twitter/FB (or myself at Thread) being unproductive or trending less productive.

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        1.  📶‏ @coreload Jul 25
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          I did not see whether you have a reference for the specific numbers you're using?

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        1. Łukasz Gieroń‏ @LukaszGieron Jul 26
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          I can't imagine the 99.9% number being accurate. Even ignoring all else (like - a lot of the developers having CS degrees, where they got taught how computers work), the embedded, drivers, low-level etc. devs surely have to constitute more that 0.1% of the overall field?

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        2. Mr. Shoeless‏ @mr_shoeless Jul 25
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          What facts is your opinion based on? You may have an inaccurate mental model of what other people are thinking. Admit it, you are just making these numbers up.

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        1. Shadowraymostrasuascoisasdojapão‏ @joaoeducma Jul 25
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          It’s not like ppl “program computers”, they just create software. And I’m not saying in a bad way. Tho, I program most of my day. Whenever I, or someone, say that I “program computers” it just doesn’t feel true. (But at least I acknowledge that)

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        1. nick12‏ @nick1255553116 Jul 26
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          That's not the only way in which said picture is usually wrong. Programmers will eagerly optimize making assumptions based on said picture without benchmarking, resulting in uglier *and* slower code. Hence the famous "Eager optimization is the root of all evil"

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